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Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 05 2:40 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Deerstalker wrote:
Pellet energy (E) is a function of both it's mass (M) and velocity (V).

Thus (E=1/2M.V squared).

As the mass remains the same and velocity increase is only marginal, muzzle energy does not increase!


It would seem to be a myth then, although if a rifle was measured right on the limit using normal pellets it could go over fractionally using lubricated pellets. But not likely unless you were a little daft and were playing around with the spring etc.

beth



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 05 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I thought the idea of lubricated pellets was to improve the transfer of money from the punter to the trader...

Beth

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 05 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

beth wrote:
I thought the idea of lubricated pellets was to improve the transfer of money from the punter to the trader...


I've found a bit of lube did improve the accuracy. It only needs a couple of drops for a tin of 500. Washing and drying the pellets can also help. The best pellets I've found for my rifle are already lubricated.

Whether it is worth it is another question. Best to try things out on a targets to find out.

It is also worth noting too much lubrication is worse than none!

I bet the google adds could be fun for this post.

anneka



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 05 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Deerstalker wrote:
Think it may need a new spring Anneka, as I can blow harder than that!


Even an old wind bag like you still couldn't blow harder than my original No.9 which does need the spring replaced - Supersport just fine thank you !

Anneka

Smudge



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 05 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Weihrauchs are good guns to start shootin with. Theyre a bit heavy but if you get a hw95 that should be no problem. Theyre well built and are easyier to keep still on a fence post of some thing for longer periods of time.

Smudge

alison
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 05 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Which of these different guns mentioned need to be on the FAC

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 05 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

IMHO, forget a FAC registered air weapon. As air rifles increase in power they loose ballistic perfomance (ie you can't hit a barn door etc etc).

You are far better off (also in terms of humanity to your quarry) getting a .22 long rimfire.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 05 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks, Any particular names to look out for.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 05 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

For quality and price look at CZ/Brno and Anschutz (slightly more expensive, but very good quality).

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 05 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

thanks. I'll let you know how I get on.

High Green Farm



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 05 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Deerstalker wrote:
You are far better off (also in terms of humanity to your quarry) getting a .22 long rimfire.


Deerstalker, what about if your quarry is pigeons, and you want to take them whilst they are roosting or sitting in trees? I would have thought that an air rifle would be best for that?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 05 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

A .22 rifle with full metal jacket ammo won't do any more damage to the meat than an air rifle. You can just use it ay greater distance.

IMHO, it would be pretty damn difficult getting within air gun range of a roosting wild wood pigeons anyway.

Personally, I use a 12 bore shotgun over decoys.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 05 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What about shooting doves off a barn rook like HFW in the first or second RC series? I often wondered what happened to the bullet when he missed his shot at about 45.

deerstalker



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 05 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Personally, I don't shoot sitting birds - hence the shotgun. But I did wonder about the fact no comment was made.

In reality it would loose energy and fall back to earth. It would still smart a bit if it hit anyone though.

High Green Farm



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 05 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What I was getting at was that I was taught you should only ever take shots with a rifle with the ground behind, so the lead would bury itself if it went straight through, or if you missed.

I was never taught to use an air rifle (though did use one for many years as a teenager). When HFW was popping the pigeons of his landlords roof, I thought he was using an air rifle not RF?

I agree that it can be hard to get close enough, but we have a large tree on the front lawn, and if I open the front door quietly I am easily in range. Also with our horses (and neighbours many horses) my shotgun is fairly dormant at home.

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