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hedgehogpie



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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 06 11:05 pm    Post subject: Bach Flower Remedies as treatments for livestock/pets?  Reply with quote    

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but I'm not sure where else to post it.

Has anyone here had experience of Bach Flower Remedies? I picked up a rather unusual book yesterday that describes them used in the treatment of animals and it struck me as so off the wall that I had to buy it so that I could peruse it at leisure.

Although it makes for a fascinating read, I've no experience of the Bach system. I wondered if anyone else had come across this book, or used Bach Remedies and what their thoughts were.

moongoddess



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hiya

I've used them with enormous success on my dog - he was a 'rescue' german shepherd with an unknown background. I took on rather more than I had bargained for because it became apparent he had been abused at some point and he became aggressive.

The BFRs helped changed my cowering / aggressive dog into a loving, friendly companion over time and helped him deal with his fear of water too so that he would enjoy a little paddle now and again.

Folks might say things would have changed anyway, but I definately put it down to the BFRs.

I've also used them with amazing results on my daughter - well, there isn't much difference between a young child and a dog when you look at their behaviour!!

I say go for it - there are no negative side effects, if they don't work for you there is nothing lost, but there is everything to gain.....

mg x

hedgehogpie



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hi Moongoddess, thanks for that - I think it's an avenue I'm going to have to explore. The difficulty is making an accurate assesment of the animals mental state - although easier when it's a pet as you're more familiar with its ways!

The remedies also sound as though they might be useful for my other half who's a bit prone to self doubt when he's under stress (which unforunately is right about now ), I'll definitely seek them out in our local Healthfood store, I'm sure I've seen them there.

Thanks again.

Lozzie



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

My firend uses Rescue Remedy on her neurotic dog and her nervous husband. She gives it to both of them neat from the pipette, and has to be careful not to muddle the two up.

Gervase



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bach flower remedies have been shown to be as effective as homeopathy, aromatherapy, reflexology and hopi ear-candling in treating all sorts of ailments.
Unfortunately, I am being ironic here. Google it. But, whatever the result, you'll find someone who swears that Auntie Maud's cat was cured of cancer as a result, so you pays your money...

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i spoke to the man in charge a long time ago . very nice , didnt want to buy what i was selling ,
no idea bout his products .
medicine usually works cos it has been tested . plants usually work cos they have been tested .
placebo good .
if it works use it .

hedgehogpie



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Lozzie wrote:
My firend uses Rescue Remedy on her neurotic dog and her nervous husband. She gives it to both of them neat from the pipette, and has to be careful not to muddle the two up.


And I was just going to be sneaky and stick some in his water!

Looked at the range in the Healthfood place today - the trouble is there are almost half a dozen specific ones that would suit hubby's emotional state..... I think I might just try the Rescue remedy for starters and then get a book on humans!

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

the "bedside manner " school of healing also is used .
the "psychiatric mars bar "
or a "maybe i am going to share your death "
there are no potions or procedures but

hedgehogpie



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Gervase wrote:
Bach flower remedies have been shown to be as effective as homeopathy, aromatherapy, reflexology and hopi ear-candling in treating all sorts of ailments.
Unfortunately, I am being ironic here. Google it. But, whatever the result, you'll find someone who swears that Auntie Maud's cat was cured of cancer as a result, so you pays your money...


Hi Gervase! Actually, that's probably the only claim I haven't seen made for Bach, it's described as helpful for mental states rather than physical ones so doesn't claim to cure cancer (be nice if it did!).

I don't mind scepticism, it's a good way to maintain a healthy outlook on some of the weirder things out there in the world - but having worked in a Hospice where a lot of alternative therapies were found useful in patient care and comfort I was curious!

moongoddess



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

hedgehogpie wrote:
[the trouble is there are almost half a dozen specific ones that would suit hubby's emotional state.....


It can appear a bit of a minefield at first. I think there are two things to remember:

i) always treat the *presenting symptoms*, and then be prepared the change the remedies as the symtoms change.

ii) you can use up to *7* remedies made into a stock bottle, so sometimes you do need to use more than one.

you specifically mentioned, regarding your husband 'self doubt when he is under stress'; Off the top of my head you might look at Larch for someone who expects failure and compare that to Elm which is for feeling overwhelmed after taking on too much.

the Elm person is generally successful and confident, but has *temporary* feelings of self doubt and feel that they cannot go on. the Larch personality is generally more pessimistic - expecting failure all the time and comparing themselves to others. Often the Elm type will not even try something.

I know you began this thread talking about animals, but I figured this might get you started on your exploration of BFRs

mg x

2steps



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I have used rescue remedy and bach remedies for myself for nervousness and also a 'calming' blend for my son who has adhd I found it helpful but my son said its taste discusting and wanted to stick to his aromatherapy spray

hedgehogpie



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 06 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hi mg, thanks for the advice - Larch sounds familiar (one of the ones I read about today) and would probably be helpful. This may sound devious, underhand or a bit unethical, but I may well try it without letting him know beforehand. He can have rather a closed mind on some things and can be a bit of a closet conventionalist at times!

Now, while I'm hatching devious plots and planning dodgy medical experiments (joke...) can you recommend any books on the subject?

wellington womble



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 06 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Not a theory I subscribe to, but unlike a lot of alternative stuff, its unlikely to damage anyone, so give it a go, if you fancy it. I did try it on the dogs when they were very car sick as pups, but it didn't make any difference (no objective measure to go on, but they were still sick every time we went round a roundabout!)

Debbie



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 06 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

We used to use rescue remedy for our epileptic great dane. Any sort of stress, change or excitement could bring on a fit. It trained us that everything had to be kept calm and even (never a raise voice, never excited over a pending trip down here) and we found the rescue remedy really helped. I have a book on Bach Flower Remedies for horses and riders which is very good if anyone wants to borrow it (I am sure its principles could be applied to other animals) or its ISBN number is 1-872119-25-5

Nanny



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 06 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

we used rescue remedy on our second greyhond with success...

it seemed to calm her down

i am all for that sort of thing

herbal remedies have been around since long before modern medicine took over

and a lot of modern medicines are still comprised of the same chemicals found in flower or herbal remedies...........

go for it

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