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Pilsbury



Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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Location: East london/Essex
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 4:08 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Silas wrote:
What has this to do with bowhunting?


not sure, it was you who brought up guns itnto this discussion

Silas wrote:
I would think that most people who use a rifle would be expected to be able to group ten within a circle the size of a 10p piece at 60 yards. Not many archers are capable of that even allowing for perfect conditions and no failures of string, limbs, nocks, fatigue, pile detatchment, fletchings coming adrift and countless other things.

Silas



Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You have completely lost me now. I was talking about bowhunting for large game - what are you talking about?

Pilsbury



Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ahh I see.
I feel that hunting is hunting and you cant have one set of ethics for I type of game and a different one for another, it doesnt matter if its a phesant or deer the idea is the same, as clean a kill as possable, a rifle for big game is fine but why then is it ok to use a shotgun on a bird but not a bow on a deer? both have inaccuracies and a fair chance of causing an injury?

Silas



Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

OK. Two things. It is frightfully bad form to edit a post (Substantially in this case) after it has been replied to.

Secondly, If you are going to kill something, as far as I am concerned that can be anything from a rat to a moose, you have a duty to do the job properly and use the best and most efficient equipment available and you must be competent at using it.

As it happens I am not in favour of organised shoots, but one has to be realistic, they happen and they are legal, it would be simply stupid to allow the birds shot to end up in landfill, so, though I do have pangs of conscience about it, I will eat them. Slightly hypocritical I know, but I am only human and I can live with it.

Pilsbury



Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

sorry about the post, I realise as I posted i hadnt finished and went back, Im not used to these fast moving threads and didnt expect to get posted over, I was editing as you were replying

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Pilsbury



Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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Location: East london/Essex
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Silas wrote:
As it happens I am not in favour of organised shoots, but one has to be realistic, they happen and they are legal, it would be simply stupid to allow the birds shot to end up in landfill, so, though I do have pangs of conscience about it, I will eat them. Slightly hypocritical I know, but I am only human and I can live with it.


so you are not in favour of organised shoots but as they are legal you will encourage them by eating the results as gifts from the friends who might of injured birds during the legal organised shoot .
But you are against bow hunting in the states even thought it is legal and feel anyone involved
silas wrote:
The bow, even a compound bow is no where near good enough - people who use them have no respect for the animal they are about to maim and possibly kill.

Silas



Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: Staffordshire
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hmmm... for someone that does not want to get into a discussion you are doing pretty well so far.

I do not encourage organised shoot. The person that gives me my pheasants does not like them - he shoots them because he can afford to and enjoys it - we have had many a frank and robust exchange of views on the subject, but he always comes away with a brace. Do you think it better that he throws them in the bin? He used to before I started taking them off his hands.

The situation is not perfect, I accept that, but my not eating these birds would make no difference, in fact, if no-one eat pheasants, it would make no difference to the organised shoot.

Brandon



Joined: 11 Apr 2006
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Location: mid wales
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 08 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

yes, I have often moved towards getting into archery, but life and all it entails seems to crowd in and prevent it from becoming a reality

ho hum.

vegplot



Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21298
Location: Ynys Môn
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 08 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Silas wrote:
vegplot wrote:
Only casually, I have a Scythian 55lb bow and a 38lb training bow.


I have never tried these - always fancied one of those mongolian jobbies though....


very nice. long draw.

Lloyd



Joined: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 2699

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 08 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Silas wrote:
in fact, if no-one eat pheasants, it would make no difference to the organised shoot.


Surely it would?....That would force change upon those engaged in land management to cut their losses and pursue more productive careers?

Silas



Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: Staffordshire
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 08 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Lloyd wrote:
Silas wrote:
in fact, if no-one eat pheasants, it would make no difference to the organised shoot.


Surely it would?....That would force change upon those engaged in land management to cut their losses and pursue more productive careers?


I don't think so - the shoot would go on as normal but the shot birds would just be dumped in landfill as they apparently are anyway in some shoots.

Pilsbury



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Location: East london/Essex
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 08 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Silas wrote:
Hmmm... for someone that does not want to get into a discussion you are doing pretty well so far.


Fair enough, im out

Silas



Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: Staffordshire
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 08 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Pilsbury wrote:
Silas wrote:
Hmmm... for someone that does not want to get into a discussion you are doing pretty well so far.


Fair enough, im out


Nah, come back - I've got no one to talk to now...

baldybloke



Joined: 24 May 2008
Posts: 1383
Location: Wiltshire
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 08 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I used to compete at archery since my teens and was a GNAS Instructor. After some wear and tear in the back, I have now officially retired. So if anyone is interested I have a Hoyt Pro Medalist take down bow, 42lb at 28", tackle case, Easton xx75 arrows, quiver and all the other kit it's up for sale.
It's a cracking sport and recommend it to anyone.

Silas



Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 08 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yes, it was a shoulder injury that stopped me shooting, not archery related though....

Nice kit, 42lb is a bit on the heavy side though.

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