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jema
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Sorry but that does not work, they don't really sell it as something that will run on a strictly limited set of hardware, it is sold as an upgrade you can use assuming you have a certain degree of machine power, and in fact they have been exposed as bodging even this, as some machines labeled Vista compatible do not have the power.

Meanwhile the poor mug who "upgrades" or tries to add peripherals to a Vista machine finds a lot of problems.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Isn't that an issue with the hardware vendors, labeling product which they say is compatible but isn't?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

For the punter where the blame lies is not much of an issue.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Wot Jema said.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

jema wrote:
For the punter where the blame lies is not much of an issue.


How does installing an free OpenSource OS with compatibility issues fit in with this?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

As a complete computer numpty, I need to buy 2 new towers to replace this old thing ansd small sons tower which 'fell over'.
We looked in Currys, Comet etc and everything is Vista, which we were told by someone in the trade back in Scotland not to touch with a bargepole.
OH is scanning ebay for towers, but Im concerned as to what we will get.
Ideas folks please how to cheaply replace towers. Mine only has to run office and photoshop (for occassional use), small son only plays games.
Lorraine

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

it might be worth finding a local independent shop who will talk to you about your budget and what you want and build something probably better for a similar price than you will get off the shelf in the large stores

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

vegplot wrote:
How does installing an free OpenSource OS with compatibility issues fit in with this?


Can't speak for all flavours of Linux distro, but Ubuntu runs effortlessly on the various specs of machine I've tried it on. I.e. no compatibility issues.

Besides, this is hardly justification for poor performance and quality in an OS product one has paid for.
A.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thanks Bagpuss - will try this.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Lorrainelovesplants wrote:
As a complete computer numpty, I need to buy 2 new towers to replace this old thing ansd small sons tower which 'fell over'.
We looked in Currys, Comet etc and everything is Vista, which we were told by someone in the trade back in Scotland not to touch with a bargepole.
OH is scanning ebay for towers, but Im concerned as to what we will get.
Ideas folks please how to cheaply replace towers. Mine only has to run office and photoshop (for occassional use), small son only plays games.
Lorraine


Don't believe all you hear about Vista. It has it's faults but we've deployed it on our 7 desktops (some new, some nearly new)without a single issue. You should get a better deal by buying online from retailers such as Dell. I personally wouldn't touch Curries or Comet or PC World.

You could try Linux if you want to keep costs down on an older system but you wouldn't have Photoshop unless you ran Windows emulator.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
Can't speak for all flavours of Linux distro, but Ubuntu runs effortlessly on the various specs of machine I've tried it on. I.e. no compatibility issues.


I've tried Ubuntu on two machines and had terrible compatibility problems, both of which prevented the install from completing and left both machines unusable afterwards.

Barefoot Andrew wrote:

Besides, this is hardly justification for poor performance and quality in an OS product one has paid for.
A.


This is a hardware/software mix not a software one alone. My own personal and business experience of Vista has not shown poor performance or quality.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

We'll have to agree to disagree then... my own personal & business experiences of Ubuntu have been seamless.
A.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree then... my own personal & business experiences of Ubuntu have been seamless.
A.


What's your personal experience of Vista?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I'm not about to claim any OS is flawless, I am running well on Ubuntu on my main machine currently, but came to grief with all versions of Linux on another machine (that did once work well under Linux) as current graphics drivers are now failing on the card that was in the machine and a new card

It is very annoying, but then Ubuntu costs nothing, whereas Microsoft want silly money if you buy Vista off the shelf.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 08 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

vegplot wrote:
What's your personal experience of Vista?


Limited. Indirect involvement with some Vista/laptop problems led me to advise a colleague against getting Vista for now (this scenario was about 6 months ago). I have seen it running perfectly of course, but on a monster machine...

Agree with Jema - none of them are perfect. Ubunbtu is great, but I'd still think twice about recommending it for a complete non-techie. It's fine in its day-to-day use, but still requires a little but of know-how when installing new stuff.

A.

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