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patmac



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 07 3:01 pm    Post subject: Falling into the Vista Trap  Reply with quote    

Have just found these words of warning about the latest Microsoft Vista

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6407419.stm

It doesn't look so good as all the hype implies.

jema
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 07 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I just bought a notebook and counted myself lucky I was still able to get XP, A PC is about what you use it for and not dashing yourself to death on the latest operating system

bagpuss



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 07 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I hope we can avoid vista for as long as possible but I am not sure we will be able to to

Though that does remind me

people should fill in the bbc consultation on iplayer to try and convince them tying it exclusively to windows is a bad idea

JB



Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 07 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Has anyone (except microsoft) yet had anything good to say about Vista?

woodsprite



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 07 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Me! I've got vista on my new laptop and its great, I love it.
I think the problems arise when you try and install it on an old machine.
Very fast, loads of new bits to fiddle with, I love it!

bagpuss



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 07 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

woodsprite wrote:
Me! I've got vista on my new laptop and its great, I love it.
I think the problems arise when you try and install it on an old machine.
Very fast, loads of new bits to fiddle with, I love it!


To be fair I haven't actually used the software yet

That being said what I have heard about lack of control of your own computer, drm tie in etc doesn't incline me to try

I just think its a further step by microsoft to isolate users from the inner workings of their computer which is find provided it always works all of the time but the minute you want to do something non standard or it breaks you are screwed

skedone



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 07 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i was (am) a beta tester for vista i can tell u now i wont install ity on any of my pcs and here is why

1 its anoying u have to ok everything (even running programs)

2 its less secure

3 the most important combatabilty will be low and allways will be as most hardware vendors are gonna not support it due to criple were and other things

4 READ THE EULA it will scare the cr4p outta you it states that they can monitor and record all traffic on pc and even format hardrive if it see fit to do so , so basicly it will copy and keep records of keystrokes(have proved this in virtual pc settup) that will include card transactions ect ect

5 its just garbage never had so many popups in IE and i dont use it

6 its about 80% DRM

Solomon



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 07 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I only "upgraded" to XP 6 months ago, from Win2k. My next OS will be Linux. Windows is getting way out of hand. Mind you, I'll probably look back on Vista with a fond glow if TCPA comes into being.

Jamanda
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 07 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

We've got it. It seems OK so far.

jema
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 07 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I can use the web from Linux, email from Linux, word process and print from Linux, do graphics and web sites and development from Linux.

The only thing I have not got on Linux really is SAGE accounting.

Unfortunately I have only got a Linux desktop as good as what I have, by applying a lot of knowhow which is where the whole premise of people using Linux over windows still falls down badly.

MarkS



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 07 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I think ubuntu has really moved things on for the linux desktop. And wine handles quite a lot of stuff.

If my OH can drive it anyone can.

Agree though accounting is something that I havent seen a decent small business package for. Oracle financials is a bit overkill for my needs.

JB



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 07 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

MarkS wrote:
I think ubuntu has really moved things on for the linux desktop. And wine handles quite a lot of stuff.

If my OH can drive it anyone can.

Agree though accounting is something that I havent seen a decent small business package for. Oracle financials is a bit overkill for my needs.


Ubuntu has definitely become my desktop of choice. Out of the box it certainly provides a lot more usability than windows and installs Open Office as standard so that he whole world of windows documents is open to you.

I was using a combination of Red Hat, NT and XP but that's now a combination of Ubuntu and XP. If vista really is shaping up the way it appears to be then I will probably move to a completely linux environment over the next year or two unless there is a _very_ good reason to keep a windows box anywhere.

bagpuss



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 07 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

bagpuss wrote:
I hope we can avoid vista for as long as possible but I am not sure we will be able to to

Though that does remind me

people should fill in the bbc consultation on iplayer to try and convince them tying it exclusively to windows is a bad idea


JB fill out the consultation form otherwise we might need to keep a microsoft machine around to utilise any of the bbc online content we have paid for

dougal



Joined: 15 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 07 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

bagpuss wrote:
bagpuss wrote:
I hope we can avoid vista for as long as possible but I am not sure we will be able to to

Though that does remind me

people should fill in the bbc consultation on iplayer to try and convince them tying it exclusively to windows is a bad idea


JB fill out the consultation form otherwise we might need to keep a microsoft machine around to utilise any of the bbc online content we have paid for


While I do agree that ramming the point home to the BBC cannot be a bad thing - the BBC Trust (which I believe used to be called the "board of governors") has already required that iPlayer be "platform agnostic".
http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051202

bagpuss



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 07 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

thats useful to know, I clearly came across this news after the fact

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