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Tristan



Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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Location: North Gloucestershire
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 05 11:37 pm    Post subject: Is it really recycled?  Reply with quote    

Our recycling bags are put into the same truck as the general household waste. We are told that the waste is sorted at the municipal tip site, but I find it hard to believe that a facility of that small size can cope with the number of truck-loads arriving daily.

Given that the new incinerator for the area was brought on-line at about the same time as the local council started to provide recycling bags I am inclined to be suspicious.

jema
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: escaped from Swindon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 05 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it really recycled? Reply with quote    

Tristan wrote:
Our recycling bags are put into the same truck as the general household waste. We are told that the waste is sorted at the municipal tip site, but I find it hard to believe that a facility of that small size can cope with the number of truck-loads arriving daily.

Given that the new incinerator for the area was brought on-line at about the same time as the local council started to provide recycling bags I am inclined to be suspicious.


There are certainly a lot of documented examples of schemes being a fraud

judyofthewoods



Joined: 29 Jan 2005
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Location: Pembrokeshire
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 05 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I heard rumers from within the waste department when I worked at a civic amenety site that much of the stuff collected for recycling was dumped.

Tristan



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 05 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ive had that confirmed by a family friend in Nottinghamshire who followed a glass recycling truck to the local landfill where it tipped 17 tonnes of broken glass in with the household waste. Not really surprising when the cost of recycling glass is greater than the cost of making it from scratch

jema
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tristan wrote:
Ive had that confirmed by a family friend in Nottinghamshire who followed a glass recycling truck to the local landfill where it tipped 17 tonnes of broken glass in with the household waste. Not really surprising when the cost of recycling glass is greater than the cost of making it from scratch


Once apon a time you could recycle intact glass

Marigold123



Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

jema wrote:
Once apon a time you could recycle intact glass
Yep! My siser and I used to make a bomb when we were kids, by knocking on doors and taking away folks' old lemonade and beer bottles for them, then taking them back to the shop for the deposit.

Gertie



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Location: Yorkshire
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I've got my own little recycling scheme.

I buy in jars for my pickles, chutneys and jams - these are sold onto my friends and neighbours and when they finish the jars they give me them back, I check for any damage and if they are 100% ok I sterilise them, to be re-used later. I can then deduct the cost of the initial jar from their next order. I'm not out for making a profit - I enjoy cooking and my friends and neighbours enjoy the product!

sean
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

jema wrote:
Once apon a time you could recycle intact glass


Some businesses still do, Young's brewery in Wandsworth(the one that uses dray horses) re-use the bottles from their own pubs. I once got a bottle of Ramrod which had been made in 1948. The bottle, not the beer.

mochyn



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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Location: mid-Wales
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Young's: one of their drays ran over my great-grannie and killed her. Long time ago, even before your bottle was made, Sean!

Sarah D



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If these stories ar true, then it is an even greater incentive to reduce before we re-use or recycle, no?

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yup, reduce is the best policy all the way around.

joker



Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Location: hiding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mochyn wrote:
Young's: one of their drays ran over my great-grannie and killed her. Long time ago, even before your bottle was made, Sean!


Sorry but this made me think of the line in Mrs Doubtfire when she/He says It was the drink that killed her husband he was hit by a guiness truck

Its true youngs do still use drays i saw one only 2 weeks ago

Gertie



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Location: Yorkshire
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 05 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

There used to be a few breweries which would use the dray horses, Vaux brewery used to use them - shame they don't anymore

I'd love to see more Clydesdales and Shires being used - only time we get to see them now is 'turned out' at the Great Yorkshire Show.

tinyclanger



Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 190
Location: in the kitchen, baking
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 05 2:30 pm    Post subject: Tristians recycling dilema Reply with quote    

Dear Tristian,

I looked on the Hampshire Council website and have found the answer to your concern about your rubbish and your recycling going into the same truck.

Use the link here

http://www.hart.gov.uk/waste/bluebin.htm

It says that the refuse and recycling bins are collected by a split rear end loader. This is a refuse truck which is split in two, thus keeping the refuse and recycling materials seperate.
I hope this aleviates your fears for the destination of your recycling.


Cheers,em:-)

tinyclanger



Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 190
Location: in the kitchen, baking
PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 05 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tristan,

I had a look into this problem ....

[/quote] Not really surprising when the cost of recycling glass is greater than the cost of making it from scratch [quote]

I contacted WRAP who commisioned a report on container glass manufacture last year, this is what they has to say....

The UK average energy requirement for container glass melting is 4.97 GJ/tonne with an average recycled content of the feedstock at 30%. At current energy prices this is equivalent to approximately 14/tonne. Extrapolating backwards and assuming no recycled glass in the feedstock gives a melting cost of 15.20/tonne. Therefore, it is estimated that overall the glass container sector saves some 2 million/year from the use of recycled glass.

This was over 6 months ago and as fuel prices have risen since I should emagine that the cost savings per tonnes are now greater.

Cheers, em:-)

PS I have the whole document if anyone would care to PM me I can forward it to you.

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