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dieselveg



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 05 6:11 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

We remain unmoved and certainly will not be editing our website, even to gain your respect.


We take it you will not be nipping in to buy a kit in the near future then dougal. lol.

Res



Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 1172
Location: Allotment Shed, Harlow
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hi Dougal,

I think on the whole, that is a well done. You have explained the current situation well and I wholeheartedly agree that greater use of both biofuels will benefit us ALL.

Many thanks,

Richard

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'd just like to add that Dougal is spot on with regards to the certification, it's more about how you run your business not how well your products are designed, manufactured or work

PeterR



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 13
Location: Milton Keynes
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 5:09 pm    Post subject: LILI now sells bulk biodiesel Reply with quote    

Shameless (but relevant) plug:

In addition to our biodiesel courses and book, at the Low Impact Living Initiative we've just added bulk sales of biodiesel to our online shop.

We're selling either four 200 litre metal drums delivered on a pallet, or a 1000 litre bulk container.

The fuel is certified to the european standard for biodiesel EN14214, and is made from waste veg oil by a workers' cooperative.

Price includes delivery anywhere in mainland England, Wales, or lowland or Central Scotland (can be delivered further afield for slight extra charge)

see http://www.lowimpact.org/acatalog/biodiesel_fuel.html

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Blimey, very good news, I notice it says the pump is "useful if you are dispensing biodiesel from a 200 litre (45 gallon) drum" what if it's the 1000l container? And does it have a use by date?

PeterR



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Milton Keynes
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

For the 1000 litre container, you could use the barrel pump but it's just possible you might need to add an extra little bit of hose on the intake pipe if the bulk container is deeper than a barrel (I suspect it would be ok without, though).

The biodiesel doesn't have a specific use by date. It's slightly hygroscopic (but not massively so) and should keep a pretty long time, at least six months, probably much longer especially if kept dark and air tight.

If you used it so slowly that you were still using it next winter, you might need to mix in a bit of winter dinodiesel for winterizing (diesel sold in the summer and winter are different, in winter the producers add stuff to lower the cloud/gel point). You can also buy winterizer separately.

According to page 86 of our biodiesel book:

"Storage
Biodiesel is much safer to store than mineral diesel. It is non toxic, biodegradable, and has a higher flashpoint. Like petrodiesel, algae can grow in biodiesel causing slime to gunk up fuel lines and filters. Storage containers should be clean, dry, and dark to avoid algae formation. Also like petrodiesel, biodiesel is hygroscopic: it will absorb water over time. Avoid copper, zinc, or tin for long-term storage: mild steel, aluminium, stainless steel, or polyethylene are good."

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Sorry, another stoopid question, how much does a 200l barrel weigh?

PeterR



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Milton Keynes
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

well i've just checked in our book and the density of biodiesel is 0.875 - 0.9, so I guess a 200 litre barrel is about 180 KGs plus the weight of the barrel. A bit heavy to send by parcel post if that's what you're thinking Or to carry upstairs into a flat

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thinking more about manouverability on site, you'd need a hefty sack trolley to do that.

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: North Devon
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 05 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Thinking more about manouverability on site, you'd need a hefty sack trolley to do that.


'Sall about technique mate.

Res



Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 1172
Location: Allotment Shed, Harlow
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 05 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Blimey, thanks to President Bush for joining in our little debate and calling for more biodiesel useage, thank you SIR

Andrea



Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 2260
Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 05 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

For anyone who's interested, my OH did the LILI Biodiesel course at the weekend & recommends it thoroughly.

There were participants from as far away as Croatia and China, and people planning everything from small scale personal production through to large commercial enterprises.

He says it was well worth the money & we may look at further courses there in the future.

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