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Blue Peter



Joined: 21 Mar 2005
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Location: Milton Keynes
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 9:48 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Milo wrote:
Anyway, don't you think, folks, that recent events show that we are far too concerned about what America thinks.



I think that a very large armoury means that we can't ignore them, I'm afraid,


Peter.

cab



Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 32429

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

jocorless wrote:

Where where ? tell me - I keep looking and can't find anything


Get talking to the cocklers and have words with them about following them and filling a bucket. That's a great start. Stick close to them, though, you know how dangerous the sands are.

Out Chonder Green way, on the mud flats, there used to be plenty of marsh samphire.

On the banks of the Lune, up-stream from the city, I used to pick all the wild garlic in the world, and many other greens. The hedgerows all round Bailrigg were teaming with forage, including lots of fungi, some fruit, greens...

In the University campuss I used to get lots of wood sorrel, assorted mushrooms, beech, hawthorn, blackberries, etc. The trees around campuss were always good shelter for forage.

Up Morecambe way, just get out of the town and look. Loads of stuff.

The Lancaster Canal was also a great source for me; watermint was especially plentiful down there.

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I must admit the bike ride up to Glasson Dock and round Conder Green is lovely although its years since I've done any cycling - infact I don't even own a bike at the moment - Going looking for one this weekend funnily enough as the Kids are desperate to go on family bike rides


Let me know if the smokery in Glasson is still there. Smoked salmon, from the river and smoked in the town, local smoked lancashire cheese... Oh, heavenly! I used to ride down there to get smoked salmon offcuts (they used to take pity on students willing to put that much effort in!), mostly to impress girls, but also 'cos it tasted so good! Glasson is (was, at least) a great little place. Haven't been there since '95, though!

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Back to the subject at hand - This would have been something I would have gone to if I'd known about it - The trouble is John Whitelegg irritates me beyond belief and anything that has his name attached to it would put me off.

Anyone who lives around the Lancaster and Morecambe area knows that the solution to the traffic issues is very complex and emotive and that Whitelegg's solutions are too simplistic to work unless the social problems are resolved as well. (I'll stop now before I get on my soap box)

Joanne


Get on the soap box and tell us about it!

joanne



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Morecambe, Lancashire
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cab,

Thanks for that - I suspected I was looking in the wrong places - another reason for buying a bike they are much easier to park, whilst you nip over a fence and pick a few 'shrooms

I'm aware of the Wild garlic but the Cockle beds have been decimated and are now closed - I didn't know about the Marsh Samphire - I'll definately go looking for that and I'll take a look round the Uni campus for mushrooms and wood sorrel

Blackberries, beech and hawthorn - yes I know plenty of places for them - the old railway lines down by the side of the river are teeming with them and Elderflowers

Havent been down the Canal for years properly, used to walk the dogs down there all the time as a kid - one of my earliest memories is the whole family picking Elderberries & Blackberries so my parents could make wine - although that was further down the canal near Torrisholme.

As for the Smokehouse - you'll be pleased to know that its still there bigger and better than ever - infact they now have a website and are very well known around the local farmers markets - I just love their smoked garlic and the lancashire cheese you mentioned

Here is their website:

http://www.glassonsmokehouse.co.uk

I'll have a think about the transport issues and maybe start another thread

Joanne

Milo



Joined: 16 May 2005
Posts: 342
Location: Oop North-ish.
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Mochyn

* Off to put extra socks on: it's b*** freezing here!

Why can't you put the central heating on like a normal person?!

Where in Wales were you, Milo?

Brecon, from '66 to '74.

As for John Whitelegg, he lacks something in style certainly, but I do enjoy listening to someone with a big brain and the ability to spout its contents!

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 44270
Location: Essex
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mochyn wrote:
Ever heard of personal responsibility?


Very true, it's very easy to say but...

I'd have to say that I'm not the most eco friendly person in the world but I do try my hardest to do something however small and to encourage others.

cab



Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

jocorless wrote:

Blackberries, beech and hawthorn - yes I know plenty of places for them - the old railway lines down by the side of the river are teeming with them and Elderflowers


Ahh, yes, the old railway line. That's a marvellous walk. Used to do that one at night, looking out for bats.

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Here is their website:

http://www.glassonsmokehouse.co.uk

I'll have a think about the transport issues and maybe start another thread

Joanne


You star!

That's straight in the bookmarks.

Andy B



Joined: 12 Jan 2005
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Location: Brum
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

cab wrote:
jocorless wrote:

Blackberries, beech and hawthorn - yes I know plenty of places for them - the old railway lines down by the side of the river are teeming with them and Elderflowers


Ahh, yes, the old railway line. That's a marvellous walk. Used to do that one at night, looking out for bats.

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Here is their website:

http://www.glassonsmokehouse.co.uk

I'll have a think about the transport issues and maybe start another thread

Joanne


You star!

That's straight in the bookmarks.


Just had a look at the glassonsmokehouse thing and thought, how does all the road miles for mail order food fit into all this carbon stuff? It might be great stuff but it's not local to me, or lots of other people and would the polution caused by sending me the stuff offset the sound ways that it's produced, and i am thinking all mail order food here.

sean
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

And as if by magic

joanne



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Morecambe, Lancashire
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Andy B wrote:
Just had a look at the glassonsmokehouse thing and thought, how does all the road miles for mail order food fit into all this carbon stuff? It might be great stuff but it's not local to me, or lots of other people and would the polution caused by sending me the stuff offset the sound ways that it's produced, and i am thinking all mail order food here.


Its a very good point Andy - One I have thought about quite alot being someone who uses the internet alot for purchasing.

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The problem is that unless we go back to eating local from local shops then the food miles are always going to rack up.

Sainsburys have Essex grown mushrooms in store nowadays but I bet they've been through a distributor and their own warehouse before ending up back on a shelf in an Essex store, and then of course there's the petrol consumed in driving to Sainsburys and back

mochyn



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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Location: mid-Wales
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Central heating, Milo? I don't think so! We have a Rayburn in the kitchen and a woodburner in the parlour. Only the Rayburn is on now, but the woodburner's looking very tempting...

And when I have a go at Americans, I don't mean individuals, I mean the government. I have some good friends who are American and who woldn't dream of wasting energy! So aplogies to anyone who took offence, I spoke not clearly enough.

cab



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
The problem is that unless we go back to eating local from local shops then the food miles are always going to rack up.

Sainsburys have Essex grown mushrooms in store nowadays but I bet they've been through a distributor and their own warehouse before ending up back on a shelf in an Essex store, and then of course there's the petrol consumed in driving to Sainsburys and back


And then you have to ask yourself where the peat used in growing those mushrooms came from, how far it travelled and whether you approve of its extraction from that location. Mushrooms in particular are a minefield.

ButteryHOLsomeness



Joined: 03 Apr 2005
Posts: 770

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Milo wrote:
Thank goodness, a supporter in Mochyn!



Anyway, don't you think, folks, that recent events show that we are far too concerned about what America thinks.

Let's be realistic, but remain optimistic.


i'm american and even I don't give a damn what the americans think (actually i prefer to be called a Scots-woman-in-training )

i think it's a great idea... how would it effect people on buses? i sold the car about 4 years ago when we moved from skye as we really didn't need it in glasgow and now edinburgh. i live in a fairly affluent neighbourhood (uni housing otherwise we couldn't afford it) i can just see me getting the wealthy crowd in their bmw's and mercedes benz's in a frezny over buying up my unused rations

ButteryHOLsomeness



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mochyn wrote:
. If we stop listening to the Americans we'd probably all be a lot better off!

?


probably so... one of the big problems with americans reducing their petrol consumption is how america is laid out. there's just so much space and so little public transport (i lived in the 10th largest city in the US for 8 years... they had a bus system in the dying city centre that covered about 2 miles!). all the shops are far away and they don't have a lot of pavements in many cities... not a good combination if you're trying to get people to use their cars less.

i once lived about 1/2 mile from a grocery store when i was in texas, that was actually very close compared to most people as grocery stores tend to be in commerically built up areas. however, if i had been able to withstand walking on no pavements alongside a 5 lane road in 38C weather, through a majorly busy traffic area with no real pedestrian crossing AND if i could manage to get my groceries home before the melted, curdled or spoiled then by all rights yes i should/would have since i have always been fairly green minded...

i'm not defending americans overall because, having lived there the first 28 years of my life i know how wasteful they can be as a whole BUT i can certainly understand why they are so resistant to changes...

i think their arrogance about it all is really just a facade to hide how ashamed they are that they built themselves into this prediciment and they have no idea how to rectify the situation...

JYC



Joined: 12 May 2005
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Location: Near Glasgow
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 05 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Why don't we just run our motors, etc with lpg or veg. oil.

I have been looking into lpg, but it's not easy to find a garage that is handy for fuelling up!

I wish that I could use public transport, but to get to work it takes me 25 mins by car, 2 hours by train and 3 hours by bus. I have to cross a bridge but the ferries don't run regularly, and public transport is rubbish. The best that I can do is to car share, which doesn't always work out because of the geography of my project area. It also works out cheaper than public transport.

It's maddening, as I used to live in the city centre, biked everywhere and used to refuse to drive, but now I have little choice.

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