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Legion



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 04 9:07 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

I see where you are coming from and dont take this the wrong way - but, the reason the majority of estate rifles in scotland are 270 is because of the very flat trajectory and tremendous stopping power, with factory ammo. This allows confidence in use by paying guests who are not always marksmen.
Zeroed at 100, it can be used out to 250 no problem. Stalkers usually use 243 , neck shots for all their stalking. Beware the man with one gun.

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 04 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Deerstalker wrote:

I would use the .270 on all deer species including muntjac & CWD.


What sort of damage to the meat would a .270 do to a muntjac or other small deer?

Given the choice between clean kill or having the least spoilage I'd go for the kill, but if you can have a clean kill with less spoilage that would be better.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 04 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Legion wrote:
Stalkers usually use 243 , neck shots for all their stalking.


I thought neck shots were frowned upon as there is very little margin for error and a large chance of wounding?

deerstalker



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 04 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

To answer your first question, there is little damage to the meat because of the very high velocity and narrowness of the animal's body. The bullet doesn't deform that much but still imparts massive shock.

Secondly, the heart / lung shot is considered the most humane aiming point by all organisations. The neck shot is very risky for a number of reasons. To knock the animal down on the spot you must cut the spinal chord, which is a little over a cm wide. Not an easy shot even for a marksman, who has to take his shot when it's presented (this is not bench rest shooting). I would challenge anyone to consistantly put 10 rounds into a 4 inch circle at 70 yards shooting from the shoulder.

As you say the margin for error is large and many deer have escaped horribly injured to die later.

If you are successful with the neck shot, when approached the animal will be alive and conscious. The animal will be terrified and paralysed from the neck down, it will then have to be dispatched with another shot.

See: The British Deer Society's Training Manual for Deer Stalkers, January 2004.

Legion



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 04 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

[quote="Treacodactyl"]
Deerstalker wrote:

I would use the .270 on all deer species including muntjac & CWD.


What sort of damage to the meat would a .270 do to a muntjac or other small deer?

quote]

It would depend on the bullet used, as to what damage is done. A 270 is very much overkill.

Good answer deerstalker.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 04 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I remember someone mentioning about a Tikka T3 s/steel synthetic rifle a while back.

Well I can't help, but the Dec 2 S/Times has a review of the sister rifle the Sako 75 Stainless Synthetic rifle in the .270 WSM calibre if anyone interested. It doesn't say too much but there are no negative comments and they love the rifle.

deerstalker



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 04 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The Tikka thread was mine. Trouble is I can't get one (have waiting months and using a Mannlicher Luxus in the meantime).

Funny thing is, GMK can't supply the T3 in .270 but have a Sako 75 (in .270) in stock - a snip at 1200.

I should write an article on their trading methods!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 04 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I got their brochure for a rimfire but they don't do left handers. Good read though.

I would be interested in an article of running in a new rifle. Is it more necessary in a s/steel?

deerstalker



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 04 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You're right! Safer shooting should be encouraged - thats why I started the ballistics thread.

The idea was, if you can't select the right tools, how can you do the job safely and humanely.

There is so little info out there for the beginner!

Post on the thread - like I said, if I don't know, I'll find out!

Legion



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 04 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ansultz make left handed , and it rumoured also that the CZ's(bruno) are also going into the left handed market . Savage also do rimfire and centrefire in left handed stocks and action.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 04 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks Legion, ideally LH bolt action and an ambi stock as I'm LH and will use it most and my OH is righthanded.

I will try and track down some more info.

Lindsay



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 04 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Treacodactyl, can you let me know what you find out? I'm a while off applying for my FAC but I'm left handed as well - didn't even know you could get left handed guns!

Legion



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 04 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I am a leftie, so all my guns , with the exception of a 22 thats not.
Latest purchase was a ruger 10/22 custom jobbie - nice!!

tahir



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 04 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Legion wrote:
I am a leftie!


Marxist?

Legion



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 04 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tahir wrote:
Legion wrote:
I am a leftie!


Marxist?


theres always one,,,,,,,, lol

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