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shadiya

Joined: 02 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:23 am Post subject:

I really am sorry if anybody thought I was being racist by sharing what was happening locally. I was attempting to point out that carp are a fish of choice to many people, and that far from being a bony fish not worth eating, we are actually having a problem with people not being allowed to take their catch home to eat. I thought the winking emoticon made it clear that the remark was made very much tongue in cheek.

snowball
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:23 am Post subject:
Silas, I really think that Shadiya was being ironic, not racist.

snowball
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:24 am Post subject:
cross posted with Shadiya.

shadiya

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:25 am Post subject:
Thanks Snowball.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:27 am Post subject:

shadiya wrote:

I thought the winking emoticon made it clear that the remark was
made very much tongue in cheek.

It did, I assume Silas was joking.

That's the thing with carp, they are eaten by lots of different people around the world there must be ways of making them more than edible.

Mrs R

Joined: 15 Aug 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:30 am Post subject:

BadgerFace wrote:

I have an old fishing book, from the ‘The Badminton Library of Sports and Pastimes’ (1889). It has a very interesting chapter on carp and tench. It tells of how carp were reared in wet moss lined ‘hammocks’, hanging in cool cellars and spoon fed ‘like large babies’ on a diet of bread and milk ! Apparently they have the ability to survive out of water, as long as they are not allowed to dry out. They must have thought they were worth eating to go to that much trouble. The same book talks of rearing tench for the table, fed on meal - slimy tench & chips, anyone ?

Not much help to you Ixy, but interesting I thought

VERY! I can't imagine spoonfeeding a carp in a hammock....no wait, actually I can

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:31 am Post subject:

shadiya wrote:

Sorry, my remark was intended to be read regarding your fish farmer not your remark - I know that you were joking.

Silas

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:32 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

shadiya wrote:

I thought the winking emoticon made it clear that the remark was
made very much tongue in cheek.

It did, I assume Silas was joking.

That's the thing with carp, they are eaten by lots of different people around the world there must be ways of making them more than edible.

Its probably because they will thrive in almost any conditions.

snowball
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:32 am Post subject:
My apologies Silas.

Mrs R

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:34 am Post subject:

Silas wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

shadiya wrote:

I thought the winking emoticon made it clear that the remark was
made very much tongue in cheek.

It did, I assume Silas was joking.

That's the thing with carp, they are eaten by lots of different people around the world there must be ways of making them more than edible.

Its probably because they will thrive in almost any conditions.

even hammocks.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:37 am Post subject:

Silas wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

shadiya wrote:

I thought the winking emoticon made it clear that the remark was
made very much tongue in cheek.

It did, I assume Silas was joking.

That's the thing with carp, they are eaten by lots of different people around the world there must be ways of making them more than edible.

Its probably because they will thrive in almost any conditions.

Possibly but people do seem to target them to eat. I don't think they need to but I think that's what they have been brought up with. I wonder if it's a question of taste, so over time we could all get to like them? Or perhaps you just need to know how to prepare them?

Silas

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 11:50 am Post subject:

Snowball wrote:

My apologies Silas.

No problem.

Tavascarow

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Location: South Cornwall

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 12:14 pm Post subject:

The main problem with trout farming is the need for high protein food which invariably means fish meal & that isn't a sustainable option.
I suppose you could maintain a breeding population of carp & feed the fry to the trout but I cant imagine that would be easy.

Reminds me of when I was fly fishing with a friend at a local reservoir stocked with trout.
My friend caught a beautiful 2lb golden rudd which we released unharmed.
When we told the resident balliff he gave us hell for letting it go 'cause the rudd eat the pellets they throw in for the trout.
Apparently they release course fish like rudd as fry for the trout & some survive to adult sizes.

Mrs R

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 09 12:35 pm Post subject:
yeah but if the table scraps regs don't apply to fish then you can feed them all your meat trimmings etc

Oxford-Sandy-Man

Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 09 9:11 pm Post subject:

Hi everyone,

I've not been on here for a while so I'm sorry to butt in!

I used to work on a fish farm, we farmed mostly ornamental species, ghost carp,golden rudd,orfe that sort of thing along with common and mirror carp.
I my self have never eaten carp but the chap I used to work for loved it!

By and large carp are very hardy, fast growing and easy to keep provided the conditions they are kept in a suitable.

Different types of soil and ground conditions come with there different advanatages, for example carp will thrive in a clay pond however water quality tends drop quicker then a gravel bedded pond.

As with any livestock theres more to rearing them than just chucking them in and letting them get on with although with that said carp in small numbers are by no means hard work!

There certain rules and regs regarding fish as with any other animal although with fish the environment agency generaly rule the roost so to speak!

In terms of pond creation anyone can dig a pond and no planning permission needs to be sort unless 1 you have to export spoil of your site 2 the pond is less than 25 metres from a public highway. The other thing that needs to be considered is how close to another water course (river) you are if you are pretty close permission may need to be sort before any excavations take place.

The other thing to bare in mind is that to put any fish into a pond (other than a lined garden pond) you most likley will requirte asection 30: this basically means a sample of fish which has been mixed with the fish you are getting must be sent to the environment agency so they can disect them to check for disease's before they are moved - without this you are open to be hit with a hefty fine!

Anyway I'll stop rambling now but if you need any more info or husbandry advice just ask! I've also got plenty of contacts in UK carp farms and can get you started off with a few fish at the right money if needed!

OSM

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