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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:41 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

[quote="NickHowe"]Being Portugese is irrelevant. Yes correct, but for the record I am "English" according to my GB Passport and also according to my Passport would you believe in the year 2005 described as a "subject". Every read George Orwell's "1984"
Food for thought Nick!
Regards Belinda De Marney

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

portwayfarm wrote:
Either you or partner would have to come out of retirement as a general rule. As the ag tie means that the main source of income would have to come from the workings of the property.



As a matter of interest, does anyone know how the process works and how it's enforced? Can I just say, "Yep, that's what I intend to do", or do I have to prove it in some way? And does anyone come back and check that that is what is happening? Also, is there a concept of a change over period? because I can imagine that initially one's income from the land might be quite small and one might need something else financially to help set things up.


Peter.

P.S. The above question assumes that the person is making a reasonable attempt at abiding by the tie, not a "how can a city banker manage to acquire a country property" sort of scam.

belinda De Marney
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:53 am    Post subject: bruxinha Reply with quote    

Blue Peter.

Yes Blue Peter rest assured my question was genuine.

By your question you seem to be someone who cares about the countryside (as I do) and feel sure that you will not disagree that "gentleman farmers" have been around for years. These receiving so many grants which would make your head spin, inclusive of payment per acre for not working it.

Belinda De Marney.

tahir



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I looked at this a little while back, 51% of my current income would have to be derived from "agricultural" activities, you can appeal against ties but it's a long winded and adversarial process.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yeh afraid people do check. Someone from DEFRA does random checks every so many years / months. Also IR have to be informed and you have to fill in self assessment tax for under self employment / sole trader. Also in some areas parish councils still hold a lot of weight (esp in moreleigh devon where my mum lives) and they meet up with local residents and decided what can be done and do checks. They are more scary then the proper council!!!

You can apply for a change eg if it was breeding and selling sheep, but you liked pigs you can apply for change in income from different source. Basically show you are open, ask for everything and assume nothing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: bruxinha Reply with quote    

belinda De Marney wrote:
Blue Peter.

Yes Blue Peter rest assured my question was genuine.

By your question you seem to be someone who cares about the countryside (as I do) and feel sure that you will not disagree that "gentleman farmers" have been around for years. These receiving so many grants which would make your head spin, inclusive of payment per acre for not working it.

Belinda De Marney.



Belinda, yes, I'm sure your question was genuine. I'm afraid that I was sort of hijacking your thread (as I've found out in another one ). I meant that the questions which I was asking were to be taken from the point of view of someone trying to abide by the law; I wasn't looking for sneaky ways round it - though, obviously if anyone does know any.....


Peter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
I looked at this a little while back, 51% of my current income would have to be derived from "agricultural" activities, you can appeal against ties but it's a long winded and adversarial process.


So, how does anyone ever switch into small-holding or farming (I assume that all farms would have ATs?)? I suppose if you don't have a job your income might be very low, and half of not much isn't much. Does it include savings as well, as a matter of interest (oh! very good sir)?


Peter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 12:40 pm    Post subject: Good Sense of Humour..... Reply with quote    

Is it possible that some posters have not recognised a particular humour on this site?

Not always too serious a bit of light hearted teasing does go on occasionally!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Blue Peter wrote:
(I assume that all farms would have ATs?)


No, not at all. I don't know how it is in other parts of the country, but most of the houses with agricultural ties around here seem to have been originally built on farmland with a view to housing a family member. It's a way to stop farmers making a quick buck by flogging off a spare field for building - if there is an agricultural tie on the land, it won't be worth the developer's while to build. The local council will probably give permission for you to build a bungalow to house your son, who also works on the farm, but it won't allow a small development of executive housing.

Most farms and smallholdings are sold on the open market, without an AT.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ah, cheers,


Peter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Our farm does not have an AT. There are loads that do not but what the council do now is instead of AT they place the wording Designated Open Space.

Ours is now designated open space and wild life corridor. So it can never be built on nor used for purpose other agriculture. I cannot turn it into an extension of my garden either. The hard standing what would have been the actual farm yard as opposed to grazing can be turned into my back garden which is what we are doing. Eventually my garden will be 3/4 acre, with the rest of our land being used to graze our animals.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Bruxinha Reply with quote    

belinda De Marney wrote:
Whilst I thank Nick Howe for taking the touble to reply to my question re: eligibility to reside in an agircultural property.


Belinda, you obviously feel sensitive about the lack of acknowledgement for those of your ethnic background, but I think your answer to Nick was unwarranted and far exceeded any (perceived) rudeness in his post. You asked if you would be eligible - he pointed out that anyone in Europe (by which he clearly meant EU) would be. If his answer was that obvious, why did you ask the question?

As for Tahir, that was clearly a tongue-in-cheek comment (hence the smiley face) tacked onto a genuine enquiry. Most of us are genuinely interested in the background of the others on this site, and the different experiences we each bring with us.

In general, if there is any ambiguity as to what someone meant, it is 'Netiquette' to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that their comment was well-intentioned, even if it was put clumsily and open to misinterpretation. In contrast, you seem to assume that you are being personally attacked, and comments of the kind you meted out to Nick are a sure way of stopping people such as him from giving their (free!) advice on forums such as these.

As a lot of members have said in the past, this is a particularly friendly community, with a lot of lighthearted banter going on. I suggest you might try to enter into the spirit of it, otherwise you're likely to find that people just won't help you or answer your posts for fear they too will come under fire.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Bruxinha Reply with quote    

tawny owl wrote:
Most of us are genuinely interested in the background of the others on this site, and the different experiences we each bring with us.


Definitely, I think it's tremendous how people that we'd perhaps never come across in "normal" life have become almost part of the family here.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Bruxinha Reply with quote    

[quote="tawny owl

As for Tahir, that was clearly a tongue-in-cheek comment (hence the smiley face) tacked onto a genuine enquiry. Most of us are genuinely interested in the background of the others on this site, and the different experiences we each bring with us.

As a lot of members have said in the past, this is a particularly friendly community, with a lot of lighthearted banter going on. I suggest you might try to enter into the spirit of it, otherwise you're likely to find that people just won't help you or answer your posts for fear they too will come under fire.[/quote]

Here here. This is a fantastic site and more friendly than most. I sincerely hope it stays that way.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 05 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

here here tawnyowl. I must admit, though, that this has certainly been one of the most unusual threads I've ever seen on here. Its path has been completely unexpected (I'm still trying to figure out how we got to David Essex!). As such I've been drawn to it all afternoon out of some morbid curiosity.

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