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Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 10 4:48 pm    Post subject: Exmoor Emperor Stag Killed  Reply with quote    

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11624253

Apparently for a trophy. I don't know anything about deer hunting in the UK but from this article it seems that this is considered a rich man's sport & readers comments seem uniformly negative / anti-hunting.

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 10 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It wasn't me.

People think of it as a toff thing - this more likely went to some nasty little suburban turd who wants to play at Laird. Poor management to leave the remains out in the open near a road, mind you.

Millions of chavs will now weep for the Emperor as they stuff chicken nuggets into their halfwitted faces on the sofa tonight.

sean
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 10 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don't know much about it, though I'm assuming that someone paid for the stalking rights or whatever the legal term is.
I have no problem with deer being culled. It seems a bit mean to do it in the rutting season though.

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 10 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It now turns out that the remains weren't left by the road but were winched onto a pickup and removed. The animal was culled and the head may or may not have been taken as a trophy, a trophy fee may or may not have been paid.

Slow news day, I suppose.

OP



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 10 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It definitely was a slow news day. It must have been one of the lead items on the BBC R4 Today programme at 6am yesterday, which given everything else that is going on at the moment seemed an unusual choice of story. According to the BBC the animal was 12 years old, and one of the complaints was that it had not had a chance to pass on its genes. I don't know much about deer, but I am guessing that a 12-year stag has had plenty of time to do that? Presumably its younger male rivals will not be mourning its passing.

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 10 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

OP wrote:
Presumably its younger male rivals will not be mourning its passing.


Given that it's saved them the trouble of fighting it until it drags itself off alone, probably not. And it will prevent too much inbreeding, as dominant stags will mate with their own progeny, and with the results of that mating.

A stag wouldn't have made it to that age if we still had wolves and bear.

crofter



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 10 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:


Slow news day, I suppose.


The daily mail have now brought it back to life...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324297/Exmoor-Emperor-stag-mystery-deepens-locals-claim-sighting-beast-village.html

Bernie66



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 10 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

http://www.basc.org.uk/en/media/pressreleases.cfm/prid/5293C1A8-AE81-482A-90C057A7CF0FFAAD

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 10 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I shoot on a farm in Rackenford, I have seen a huge stag a couple of times but never considered shooting it. I prefer to thin the prickets and the hinds.

Behemoth



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 10 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

OP wrote:
It definitely was a slow news day. It must have been one of the lead items on the BBC R4 Today programme at 6am yesterday, which given everything else that is going on at the moment seemed an unusual choice of story. According to the BBC the animal was 12 years old, and one of the complaints was that it had not had a chance to pass on its genes. I don't know much about deer, but I am guessing that a 12-year stag has had plenty of time to do that? Presumably its younger male rivals will not be mourning its passing.


The discussion later in the programme came to a consensus that culling was OK, nothing wrong was done but it might have been fairer to wait a few weeks and let him have one more trip park.

OP



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 10 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Behemoth wrote:

The discussion later in the programme came to a consensus that culling was OK, nothing wrong was done but it might have been fairer to wait a few weeks and let him have one more trip park.

Or perhaps it was fairer to cull this one now, and give the new generation of males a better chance?

It was difficult to see why this news item featured so prominently on the R4 early news, but clearly it has invoked massive public interest! You would have thought culling MP's was more the style of the Today programme.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 10 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

OP wrote:
You would have thought culling MP's was more the style of the Today programme.

Auction off the stalking & trophy rights for that and we might clear the national debt.
It would be OK to cull the whole herd there wouldn't it?

Calli



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 10 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Poachers obviously having a go here tonight

At the end of the drive - I have horses out????


There is now an injured deer ( red/fallow take a guess) they followed it down the lane in a 4x4 with spotlight on the cab, after one very loud shot.

I guess they didn't know this place is inhabited ( seriously remote )

All the dogs kicked off big time so switched on all the lights and opened curtains and watched the rear view lights vanish

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 10 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

And what a big surprise - apparently the 'story' was broken by none other then 'Johnny Kingdom', publicity-hungry Irish animal sentimentalist, who once imprisoned a three-legged deer in a pen, named it 'Bambi' and kept it as a pet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/8096989/Was-the-Emperor-of-Exmoors-death-quite-what-it-seemed.html

Penny Outskirts



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 10 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Gah!! Bloody people

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