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naomij



Joined: 03 Mar 2011
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Location: Kent coast
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 11 9:52 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

perlogalism wrote:
Hi Naomij,

I see you're on the Kent coast. If that's the bit anywhere near Sittingbourne, I'd recommend a visit to the Axminster store; http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-tool-centre--sittingbourne-kent-artlstoresittingbourne/?src=frooglelogout=idle
Everything from budget to esoteric and I've always found them very helpful.
Your son sounds like a lucky boy


shame but looks like its not do-able without a car if he is lucky enough to get the toolbench linked to above, I suspect he will be getting a few bogstandard tools from local hardware store

And I think he'd prefer something computer game related...but we have discussed this and he would be happy with either some tools or a starter model train set...both time honoured hobbies

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 11 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

naomij wrote:
Brownbear wrote:
The easiest type of trestle would be just a very basic frame of 2x2, with some 3x1 across the top.

Good chance to practice cutting, measuring, drilling, screwing.


thankyou for all your help (but please is my best damsel in distress voice what do we then do with teh 2x2 and 3x1??) I tried looking at online plans but they look frightfullly complex...

maybe I shouldn't attempt to teach son woodwork? I don't want to put him off for life?? But it would be cool to teach him some simple skills (and his father won't!)



get advice and learn together

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

look at some plans

draw a plan for your task

naomij



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Location: Kent coast
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
look at some plans

draw a plan for your task


these are all wise suggestions, but I don't have anyone around to ask for advice, thus my reliance on google and forums

What are the pros and cons of the different handdrills? The brace one (whatever its called ) obviously looks like it would give great torque...but might not be so easy to use for a 9 year old with slight co-orination problems? Or maybe a bit easier? And saws....I remember hand saw/tenon saw/coping saw/junior hacksaw...I think the suggestion of choosing a prohject and buhing for that is best but are there definite must have? Hmm. We should all live in tribes, then boy-child could go off hunting and building with other menfolk and I coul continue knitting/sewing undisturbed.

boisdevie1



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tools - Screwfix
As for projects, couldn't his first project be to make his woodworking bench - with help obviously

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Having thought a bit, you could just get a sturdy pine table - it's hard even to give them away at the moment, they're going for a few quid on Ebay - with a vice attached, something like this:



http://www.toolbox.co.uk/irwin-record-v150b-woodcraft-4018-74256

Spend the rest on tools and some timber. Let him use some hardwood as soon as he's mastered the basics in softwood.

naomij



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

boisdevie1 wrote:
Tools - Screwfix
As for projects, couldn't his first project be to make his woodworking bench - with help obviously


that would be so fab...but I think there's a fair chance our first project may not be entirely perfect, so it might be better not to start with anything too big

naomij



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
Having thought a bit, you could just get a sturdy pine table - it's hard even to give them away at the moment, they're going for a few quid on Ebay - with a vice attached, something like this:
Spend the rest on tools and some timber. Let him use some hardwood as soon as he's mastered the basics in softwood.


thats a good idea...I'd rather buy the best quality tools I can reasonably afford so that they will work well and not be frustrating (says she who has spent too much with cheap screwdrivers) He could just use the ol dining table, it was too big for us so I have turned it into a craft table and the dining room is now a craft room so I was going to have a work area for him in there too, but he can just have an end of the table I suppose!
Thankyou so much for all these helpful replies, I am pretty hopeless so all thoughts much appreciated

Midland Spinner



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

OH says "make a box rather than a trestle - it will give your son somewhere to store the tools"

He's drawn you a simple plan (not to scale!!)

Make the box out of planks for the sides use simple joints as in the drawing. Use thick ply for the top & bottom. Make a closed box first, then saw through, that way the body & lid will fit together. Put hinges on one side & a catch on the opposite. Handles too if you like!


Brownbear



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Just had a quick look on a couple of sites, here's what I would get in your position, along with the vice above (and for his first project, he can make hardwood plates to line the jaws of the vice with, they stop the iron jaws damaging the timber).

For a hand drill, you'll get not only cheaper but better off Ebay. Something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Woodworking-Metalworking-tools-Stanley-Hand-Drill-/160552474061?pt=UK_Collectable_ToolsHasdware_RL&hash=item2561ac55cd


This is from Axminster, they are all good and as cheap as is likely to be usable, but all decent quality. Parsimony is as bad as extravagance when buying tools.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-woodworkers-vice-with-table-clamp-prod376874/

These screwdrivers will last a lifetime if not abused.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/wiha-wiha-6-piece-set-prod19451/

This square may seem pricey, but it does the job of several and is accurate, which the cheaper ones (now made in China, badly) aren't.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/nobex-nobex-octo-folding-square-prod480222/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-pack-of-6-carpenters-pencils-c-w-sharpener-prod715081/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/stanley-stanley-99e-retractable-blade-utility-knife-prod23377/

Block Surform (does service as a basic plane and as a rasp).
http://www.axminster.co.uk/stanley-stanley-surform-block-plane-prod23353/

Probably the longest saw he can comfortable handle at the moment.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-fineline-toolbox-saw-prod649971/?searchfor=toolbox%20saw

Bradawl, for marking and for starting out screw holes.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/crown-crown-square-blade-bradawl-prod22980/

A 12" one of these.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-black-coated-stainless-steel-rule-with-white-markings-prod836120/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-auto-lock-tape-prod375930/

Pincers for removing mis-hit nails
http://www.axminster.co.uk/stubai-pincers-prod20319/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-warrington-pattern-cross-pein-hammer-prod19604/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-pin-hammer-prod19748/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/der-finest-standard-series-drill-bits-prod780382/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-tin-coated-countersinks-prod820369/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/joseph-marples-joseph-marples-no-2-gauge-prod22435/

Last edited by Brownbear on Sun Mar 06, 11 9:41 am; edited 1 time in total

Rusticwood



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Do the local education people have woodworking evening classes?
If so could you go to learn then teach your son?
Or have you a friend or relative near who could help?

Midland Spinner



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Great list of links Brownbear, is there any chance we could make that list a sticky or an article?

naomij



Joined: 03 Mar 2011
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Location: Kent coast
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Midland Spinner wrote:
OH says "make a box rather than a trestle - it will give your son somewhere to store the tools"



oh that is so sweet of him thankyou!

that would be such a fab first project, and seeing the order of construction like that means I can visualise it and plan whats needed ta x

naomij



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Location: Kent coast
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

brownbear I think i love you xxx will def check out all those links, how wonderful...tools are really hard to buy when you know nuffin, I want to get decent but not showy, just good quality so thankyou very much for the specific suggestions I will def be following them up!

naomij



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Location: Kent coast
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 11 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rusticwood wrote:
Do the local education people have woodworking evening classes?
If so could you go to learn then teach your son?
Or have you a friend or relative near who could help?


sadly local evening classes seem to have gone downhill...and I have no childcare in the evenings. I did go to a 'power tools for women' type lcass once but it just served to confirm my terror of them he will be on his own if he wants t try that further down the line

only relative in the country is my brother who may well be helpful, I should be braver and ask him really, he would prob enjoy it but is a bit shy sometimes about doing 'stuff'

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