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sean
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 9:57 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Thread titles from the Naughty Corner only appear if you're a member or a mod. If you're not then you don't see them.

jema
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don't think titles will appear to non members.

paul1963



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

cab wrote:
The question really is whether by mutual consent there could be a part of the forum where the burden of proof for any claim is lowered, and whether hiding that forum out of site would be a good thing. Would either be a good idea?


That would run a risk of elitism. To give an example I am a qualified meteologist, if someone posted that a weather event was down to climate change I could if it was not, use my knowledge to denigrate their argument and get it moved to an area where the burden of proof is lowered, thereby implying they and their opinions were of lesser value.

You, OP and I have discussed/argued over the relative merits of transport types and their accompanying issues on several occasions for days at a time. I have learnt from you through those discussions and highly valued that learning and your input. In an area where my knowledge is not as good as yours would I risk being moved to a forum of lesser proof. I would be saddened if that happened as making an erroneous public statement and then being constructively helped to understand the subject and reappraise one's point of view is a valuable and precious learning tool and one which I am sure we all appreciate

paul1963



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

jema wrote:
I don't think titles will appear to non members.


Hopefully they won't (might be worth checking though) obviously being an NC member I see them regardless...

Midland Spinner



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Why not call it The Alternative Corner.

I think that I think that it's a good idea. I get a bit frustrated when what promises to be an interesting thread about someone's sincerely held ideas or an explanation of something that I've heard about, but know nothing in detail, gets hijacked by people saying that it's all twaddle.

It might well be twaddle, but how will I ever find out if I can't read a reasoned discussion about what it's all about.

My only regret is that this could lead to the fragmentation of DS with all the different subjects being parcelled up into their own little worlds. So you'd have to opt to see threads on eash specific subject, so you wouldn't stumble across ones on Knitting or the de-fleshing of polar-bear heads

paul1963



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

sean wrote:
Thread titles from the Naughty Corner only appear if you're a member or a mod. If you're not then you don't see them.


Thanks Sean

paul1963



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Midland Spinner wrote:
Why not call it The Alternative Corner.

I think that I think that it's a good idea. I get a bit frustrated when what promises to be an interesting thread about someone's sincerely held ideas or an explanation of something that I've heard about, but know nothing in detail, gets hijacked by people saying that it's all twaddle.

It might well be twaddle, but how will I ever find out if I can't read a reasoned discussion about what it's all about.

My only regret is that this could lead to the fragmentation of DS with all the different subjects being parcelled up into their own little worlds. So you'd have to opt to see threads on eash specific subject, so you wouldn't stumble across ones on Knitting or the de-fleshing of polar-bear heads


IMO those who hijack a subject and say it is twaddle are merely expressing their own ignorance of that subject and doing it in such a visible way that other DS members can form their own opinions of them without the need for moving the thread

Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Is homeopathy a bad word then?

I know I can be a bit slow sometimes, but....

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

paul1963 wrote:

That would run a risk of elitism. To give an example I am a qualified meteologist,


What kind of qualifications are available in meteorology?

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I have no problem with people criticising any idea here. So long as they do so reasonably and even handedly. I don't see that as being a bad thing.

T.G



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

paul1963 wrote:
IMO those who hijack a subject and say it is twaddle are merely expressing their own ignorance of that subject and doing it in such a visible way that other DS members can form their own opinions of them without the need for moving the thread


But someone or more than one person stating that what you are asking or speaking about is twaddle can make the poster think 'sod it' I'll not bother and so the thread dies and those interested in reading others opinions on the subjects are left without .. and lets face it some people just can't help themselves and have to make off the cuff remarks and spoil it for those who are interested in reading what others may say on a subject, yet if it was reversed they'd be offended.

treat ppl as you'd expect to be treated and all that

paul1963



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

cab wrote:
paul1963 wrote:

That would run a risk of elitism. To give an example I am a qualified meteologist,


What kind of qualifications are available in meteorology?


Various ones, there are metereology degrees which are (or were) run in association with the met office, and specialising in environmental sciences (similar route to geology)

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

T.G wrote:

treat ppl as you'd expect to be treated and all that


I expect others to tell me if I'm wrong, and I expect others to challenge assertions I've made. I expect people to do so in a reasonable and, more importantly, reasoned way. I expect the same level of respect to be shown to all faith beliefs, but I expect arguments based on evidence and fact to be treated differently; where one crosses over into the other, where faith masquerades as reason, I expect that people should be free to say so.

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

paul1963 wrote:
cab wrote:
paul1963 wrote:

That would run a risk of elitism. To give an example I am a qualified meteologist,


What kind of qualifications are available in meteorology?


Various ones, there are metereology degrees which are (or were) run in association with the met office, and specialising in environmental sciences (similar route to geology)


I really enjoyed studying it. Got one of my highest undergrad marks in the meteorology course, I'd have loved to continue with it if the timetabling hadn't clashed with genetics.

paul1963



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 11 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

T.G wrote:
paul1963 wrote:
IMO those who hijack a subject and say it is twaddle are merely expressing their own ignorance of that subject and doing it in such a visible way that other DS members can form their own opinions of them without the need for moving the thread


But someone or more than one person stating that what you are asking or speaking about is twaddle can make the poster think 'sod it' I'll not bother and so the thread dies and those interested in reading others opinions on the subjects are left without .. and lets face it some people just can't help themselves and have to make off the cuff remarks and spoil it for those who are interested in reading what others may say on a subject, yet if it was reversed they'd be offended.

treat ppl as you'd expect to be treated and all that


That's a fair point and I won't disagree but I hope people wouldn't be put off by that (I am guilty of quite often dropping slightly facetious comments into conversations myself to lighten the mood although I would not dream of telling anyone they were talking twaddle) as any point of view, even if it is based on incorrect testimony serves to raise the level of thought and allows for constructive discussion.

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