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alison
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 11 7:50 pm Post subject: led kitchen lights
We are looking at led lighting, set into the ceiling. Is there a rule of thumb for spacing them?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 3:03 pm Post subject:

Spacing will depend on how much puff there is in your lamps, and what you deem to be an acceptable light level. Why LED?

If you definitely want LED then I'd be tempted to go with something from this lot:

www.orluna.com

Bulb should never need changing, but they're expensive. They come in a warm white colour or a cool white.

A better option might be a deep GU10 fitting then you can use a fluorescent or LED lamp like:

https://reguluxgb.co.uk/1317/dimmable-3x3w-gu10-luxstar-led-lamp/
or
https://reguluxgb.co.uk/39/gu1013w-gu10-compact-fluorescent-cf-13w-lamp-3000k/

Looks like these are long enough to take those lamps:

https://reguluxgb.co.uk/1181/fire-rated-downlight%E2%80%93frlrfg%E2%80%93240v-gu10%E2%80%93lock-ring-fixed/

sean
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 3:04 pm Post subject:
Who was that masked stranger?

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 3:14 pm Post subject:
Kitchen Light Man!

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 3:30 pm Post subject:

arvo

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Location: Somerset

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 3:34 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

No that's his evil twin 'slightly rude kitchen light man'

(Bang on for advice though.)

alison
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 4:41 pm Post subject:
Going back a step then, why not led. (Arvo, I know I asked you when I was at Judiths, but I realised afterwards I didn't really understand what you said!)

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 4:52 pm Post subject:

Because:

1) They're expensive
2) Quite a lot are still crap
3) Output decreases as the colour gets warmer (so an 11W cool white would put out more light than an 11W warm white)
4) Limited range of fittings that take an LED lamp

We've gone with the Orluna lamps generally in our house because we have to have low heat output lamps and fluorescents have a very diffuse light compared to LED or normal low voltage (halogen) lamp.

TTFN Kitchen Light Man

arvo

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Location: Somerset

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 5:56 pm Post subject:

I think the gist of my argument was that no matter what colour you pick, the light from them looks a bit un-natural.

And because they are the current 'thing' they are expensive. I like Tahir's idea that if you've not not an issue with heat then if you go for GU10 ceiling fittings (the ones where the bulbs have the nobbles on the end of quite fat pins.) then you'll be able to try LED's in them and if you hate them, you could swap for compact flouros or incandescent lights in there instead.

ETA the heat thing is only an issue if you decide you prefer the incandescent ones as LED and flourous aren't hot, but if you design enough heat escape into your plan you can pick any one of the three if you don't like the colour.

Thinking about it, the easiest thing is to bowl along to your nearest electrical wholesalers and go and have a look at their trade counter, they'll more than likely have a display up showing the comparison between the types. Easier to see in person than describe. (B&Q and such tend to have them too, but the aisle they go in is usually full of Chrimmy lights at this time of year!)

arvo

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 6:07 pm Post subject:
You need to work backwards with your spacing. Find a light you like first and then look at what it recommends in its tech blurb. As well as puff, as Tahir said, they've all got different beam angles.

Vanessa

Joined: 08 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 11 6:44 pm Post subject:
I like GU10 compact fluos, personally. They don't use anywhere near as much leccy as the standard GU10s (which are usually 50 watts each ... multiply up by a ceiling-full, and you've got rather a lot!!), and give a nice light. Got some LED ones to use in France, and they're pants! Fine as a night-light, but not enough light to DO anything by!!

bikebodger

Joined: 03 Feb 2010
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Location: Worcestershire

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 11 12:14 pm Post subject:

The spacing will depend on what you're doing - I've ended up installing some at a slight angle so they shine down onto the cooker so I can see whats lurking in the bottom of the pans...

However on the other worktop a long LED striplight is providing excellent lighting - got mine from Maplins - originally for use as uplighters for marquees (I have built lots of solar & LED lighting gear for events over the last couple of years) However they ended up not robust enough for being dragged around the country but do a wonderful job of lighting the kitchen which is what they were intended for...

There's also the LED 'on a roll' stick on striplight, also designed for under cupboards etc which work quite well.

I have bought lots of LEDS over the past couple of years for the events business and my off-grid home, and am finding that some of the cheaper end stuff direct from Hong Kong on Ebay is starting to fail - multiple LED MR16 lamps have got 5-10% failing on the individual LED's.
I'd recommend Energy Bulbs in Birmingham as stockists of all sorts of LED and CFL.
And the ones from Lidl seem quite good so far (but only 6 months old)

Nicky cigreen

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 9717
Location: Devon, uk

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 13 12:47 pm Post subject:

*clear!*

old thread revived..

what's the opinion on LED lights these days?still the same? just LED fairy lights seem lots better than they were etc...

we need to get some lighting into our kitchen which is a low dark room and we keep the lights (low energy bulbs) on all day. they hang down into room and mr cig bashes them with his head atregular intervals

was thinking of getting some LED under cabinet style ones - they can't be recessed - the ceiling between the beams is the floorboards of the room upstairs. was thinking of putting some of these in over the cooker etc (i actually used a torch the other day to see to skim pips out of the marmalade i was making..) any thoughts?

Lorrainelovesplants

Joined: 13 Oct 2006
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Location: Dordogne

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 13 12:58 pm Post subject:
Yes! Yes! Repeat as above. How good are new LED's? What is the best place to buy them?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 13 12:59 pm Post subject:

Better than a 20w halogen means crap, a normal (bright) halogen is 50w. It takes a GX53 lamp which means that you should be able to get a CFL alternative that may provide more light.

These are more like the light output of a halogen but they have a remote driver that needs to be installed somewhere:

https://www.orluna.com/products/surface_spot/surface_spot_-_fixed.aspx

There are loads of LED bulbs available now, might be worth looking for a GU10 fitting and then buying the bulbs separately:

https://www.ledbulbs.co.uk/

You'll need at least 11w to provide a light similar in brightness to a 50w halogen, 15w would be better

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