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Replacing a pear tree

 
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LynneA



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 12 9:03 pm    Post subject: Replacing a pear tree Reply with quote
    

One side of the twin variety pear tree at the allotment is diseased - canker everywhere. So when Howard is fit enough, it's coming out.

It will leave a big gap that I would like to fill with a fruit or nut tree. The only fruit that I can immediately think of that isn't from the rose family is a fig, and it's too exposed for that.

I'm thinking of getting a Sweet Chestnut. Any other suggestions?

jamanda
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 12 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Walnut? or mulberry if you want fruit not in the same family.

yummersetter



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 12 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Stone fruit. I'd suggest mirabelle or japanese plum - they're both delicious and hard to buy in an edible form. They grow quite quickly and fruit within 3 years of planting

LynneA



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 12 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Aren't plums Rosacae too?

yummersetter



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 12 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Well right at the top of their family tree, so to speak, they're prunus genus. In my experience, I've had no replant or disease difficulty with planting plums in apple sites so I reckon the same will hold for pears.

from Wikipedia

'In the case of temperate fruit trees, the 'Pomes and Stones' rule for rotation should be observed- don’t follow a ‘pome’ fruit (with an apple-type core—apples, pears, medlar, quince) with a tree from the same group. A ‘stone’ fruit (i.e., with a plum-type stone, such as plum, cherry, peach, apricot, almond) should be all right, and vice-versa.'

OP



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 12 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

If you are worried about replant disease - and you are feeling very fit - you could always excavate the original hole, then dig another hole somewhere else and re-fill the old hole from the new one. Yummersetter is right that Malus and Prunus generally don't interfere with each other, although personally I would still try to use as much fresh soil as possible.

yummersetter



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 12 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I do that with my replanting in the old orchard - its quite a good swap, the blighty potato bed soil goes round a new fruit tree and apple root earth goes up to the veg patch. Nice to have someone else actually do it for you, though.

yummersetter



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 12 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I planted 2 sweet chestnuts in the 90s - they are huge now, woodland tree size, and nothing grows under the canopy, After they flower, the enormous woolly caterpillary flowers drop over everything and the nuts get pinched by every squirrel within three miles. I have had about 100 chestnuts in all the years they've been growing. The bees like the flowers though, so the apiary is underneath one and a shed under the other. I really wouldn't put one in an allotment, or a walnut - unless you don't like your neighbours.

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 12 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Chestnut or walnut are far too big for allotment trees. Mulberry, hazel or plums I reckon. Apricots are too vigorous.

yummersetter



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 12 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Trazel's interesting, something like it is planted inside the King Street gate of Ravenscourt Park, that one had a fleshy nut wrapper that protected it against the squirrels but I can't find out what variety of hazel it is. Trazel's similar, but looks as if its leafy.

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