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DorsetScott
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tahir
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Tania
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DorsetScott
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Tania
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DorsetScott
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Tania
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DorsetScott
Joined: 23 Oct 2011 Posts: 500 Location: Bournemouth
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 12 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Tania wrote: |
DorsetScott wrote: |
They are quite nice eating, but I'd suggest it's the rarity as opposed to the taste which creates the ridiculous price tag.
I've had them just sauted in butter, and I've put them in an omelette. Both tasty, and definitely nice considering, for me anyway, they are free.
I put them up there with nettles, which I am a big fan of eating (and brewing!) |
Do you have a good nettle brewing recipe?
If my hop takes and I find it in time my try it sauted in butter - what does it taste like? |
I have a great nettle beer recipe which I make ridiculous amounts of, I'll look it out and post it when I get home. It's not really a beer in the sense it doesn't involve hops etc, but it tastes amazing and turns out quite strong too I'd call it Nettle Brew.
The closest taste I can describe the hop shoots to is like a mild asparagus. It's a bit more subtle, less of the earthy flavour and doesn't have the crunch of good spears, but it's definitely worth trying them. My eyes will be peeled on the spots next year for some more anyway. |
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Tania
Joined: 07 Nov 2012 Posts: 95 Location: Dorset
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madcat
Joined: 24 May 2008 Posts: 1265 Location: worcester
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Lorrainelovesplants
Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 6521 Location: Dordogne
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oldish chris
Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 4148 Location: Comfortably Wet Southport
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yummersetter
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 3241 Location: Somerset
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Marches
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 171 Location: Nr Peak District, England
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 13 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Grape Vines |
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DorsetScott wrote: |
Going through the plan for the garden I've realised that I have enough room on a south (ish) facing wall for a couple of vines.
Whilst I am a keen homebrewer, I am guessing that most of the harvest will generally be eaten, however I'd like to have the potential to brew with the harvest one year, so am looking for a dual purpose variety.
Does anyone have any reccommendations for a dual purpose variety which would grow well enough outside in the South of the UK? |
Bournemouth should be quite warm in summer so you have more choice.
Rondo is apparently a good one for wine and a decent eating variety too. There's Muller-Thurgau as well, but more of a wine grape.
Boskoop glory is a decent eating variety, apparently it can make wine but I've never seen any made from it.
Sunnybank vines as someone have mentioned have a lot of types, many rare ones too. I'd check them out, I've ordered a few from them and they were very helpful in advising me about varieties.
Here's a good Norwegian site in English about varieties which do well there. If they'll grow in Norway then Southern England should certainly be no problem!
https://home.online.no/~l-bentel/Sorter-eng.html
Pay attention to ripening times, berry size, cluster size, flavour, productivity and characteristics. Hardiness isn't important in our climate as all those on that site are more than sufficient for everywhere outside of the Cairngorms.
At the bottom is a useful table for comparing varieties. Most of them aren't widely available in the UK other than from Sunnybank vines. There are a few common ones such as Rondo which are readily available though.
Interestingly they're almost all hybrids and almost none of them are the wine varieties grown in the UK.
Some descriptions of typical wine and dual purpose varieties for the UK can be found on these sites:
Wine & dual purpose grapes:
https://www.winegrowers.info/vines/home.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom#Grape_varieties
Some seedless eating grapes:
https://www.winegrowers.info/varieties/Seedless%20grapes%20for%20eating/home.htm
Myself I have Muller-Thurgau as a dual purpose, some mystery £3 one from Aldi (it'll be an ornamental if the grapes are no good - looks fine as a plant). I've also got two on order from Sunny bank - Kempsey Black and Korrinka Russkaja.
I asked for some info on KB since they seem to be the only supplier:
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Notes on Kempsey Black from my predecessor :
'Came as cuttings from a customer who collected them from a very old vine
growing in the derelict walled garden of a demolished manor house in
Kempsey.
In 1999 the owner of the vine told me it was reputed locally to be at lease
100 years old. Vigorous vine of labrusca appearance , above average sized
berries on medium bunches , mid-season ,good clean flavour and a good vinifera
quality and good disease resistance , very similar to Boskoop Gkory but not identical.
Produced good rose wine in 2006 , it can overcrop - I had 20lb a vine !' |
Sounds very good to me.
You might want to check out Sunnybank's collection and search for a few on the internet and see what they're like:
https://vinenursery.netfirms.com/media/sunnybank-fullcollectionlistsept09.pdf |
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zamoraflorence
Joined: 23 Jan 2013 Posts: 2 Location: California
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