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Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 10:51 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
For the blueberry patch i think you still need the pond appropriately but a soakaway near the upper water level so that excess water drains to your patch without risk of emptying the pond. a small drain filled with clean 3" stones should do it.


See, you've lost me. I just need someone to come along and say look mate this is what you need and this is where to put it.


To be honest I'm not sure if you need a header tank, if you use the ram pump you could just keep one side of the bank lower and let the over flow create your boggy blueberry patch.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dougal wrote:
Perhaps talking to the pump suppliers might give you some more info sources?
I found http://www.lifewater.ca/ram_pump.htm with lots of links...


Good link

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jonnyboy wrote:
To be honest I'm not sure if you need a header tank, if you use the ram pump you could just keep one side of the bank lower and let the over flow create your boggy blueberry patch.


The stream is actually at least 100ft away from the spring, there must have been one adjacent once but it ain't there no more.

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
To be honest I'm not sure if you need a header tank, if you use the ram pump you could just keep one side of the bank lower and let the over flow create your boggy blueberry patch.


The stream is actually at least 100ft away from the spring, there must have been one adjacent once but it ain't there no more.



No, I mean at the pond site.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jonnyboy wrote:
No, I mean at the pond site.


So are you doing a site visit or what?

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
No, I mean at the pond site.


So are you doing a site visit or what?


Of course, as soon as you book my flight.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jonnyboy wrote:
Of course, as soon as you book my flight.


Tightarse

sean
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
Of course, as soon as you book my flight.


Tightarse


Flattery will get you everywhere.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Tightarse


...must...refrain...from...making...comment...

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    



It's wishful thinking rather than from experience

dougal



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I think the first step sounds like "capturing" (the technical term) the spring.
Unless damming the stream is a possibility...

Anyway, once you have the ability to put your water flow down a pipe, you can then get an idea of the flow that is actually available...

Next step would be surveying to establish just what the distances and heights involved really are.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dougal wrote:
I think the first step sounds like "capturing" (the technical term) the spring.
Unless damming the stream is a possibility.


Wouldn't feeding the spring into a pond be like a dam? Depending on the shape of the pond a pipe from it could achieve quite a sharp drop.

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
dougal wrote:
I think the first step sounds like "capturing" (the technical term) the spring.
Unless damming the stream is a possibility.


Wouldn't feeding the spring into a pond be like a dam? Depending on the shape of the pond a pipe from it could achieve quite a sharp drop.


Sounds feasible, you could create quite a decent artificial head.

Although there is legality about diverting or damming an existing watercourse IIRC.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 05 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'm not touching the watercourse, except to feed the excess water into it, like I said at the moment the spring just sort of seeps into the stream across the field.

Mr Solar



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 05 8:08 am    Post subject: Irigation pumping using the suns power Reply with quote    

A recent solar powered water fall system was installed near Coventry in one of these country parks.
We supplied a 40 volt pump to 2 x 55 watt PV panels in seriers direct wiring to the pump.
This pump the only one of its kind I know of can deleiver 2,000 litres of water an hr when the sun is on the panels.
Its maximum height using a 15mm bore pipe is 12 meters and can draw water from 6 meters down.
The day we installed it with a 15 feet hose pipe to reach the top of the waterfall from the pond, within seconds of the panels facing due south to the sun, the pump shot this water up the hose and out down the waterfall.
We are now working on irigation systems in Africa to deliver pumped well water to a holding tank using Micro Wind power, then from the holding tank use PV to take this water and send through drip irigation.

Where the distance is an issue, you need to use holding tanks and the same equipment at each stage.

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