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Cathryn



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
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Location: Ceredigion
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:10 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

We're also probably going for biomass to heat. Neither of us are entirely happy about this but we are using oil currently and the pellets for biomass will be coming from within the county.

ricardodba



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Location: West Yorkshire
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cathryn wrote:
ricardodba wrote:
vegplot wrote:
Consider the passive elements such as insulation before diving into technical solutions especially when it comes to heating.


Due to age of the house the walls arnt eligible for cavity filling. The roof will be and I will do this at the same time as re-roof (which will be getting done more or less straight away when i move in house).

Once i can afford to start decorating i'll insulate the rooms with insulating plasterboard...but that wont be for a while yet and i need CH in place for next winter and 24/7 power as soon as i move in (i have a young family).

I guess at the minute i need to know which boiler stove to get...so many to choose from!



We have just had our house insulated from the outside. It has solid stone walls. It is already warmer. The roof space has been done as well.


Does this mean its been clad?...i dont really want cladding as i like the look of stone!

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

pellet is dependant on pellet manufacture ,wood chip is possible as diy,logs n sticks are easy to diy.

a multi fuel system has the advantage of not being dependent on a single fuel ie it can burn owt from logs to shoes

another vote for as much insulation/draft proofing as possible(you do need ventilation but not drafts)

Cathryn



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It does. We had dressed stone on one side which I miss. It is still there preserved underneath the cladding without being damaged so my stepson can remove it when he takes over the farm and the next insulation technique is invented. The dressed stone at the front with it's creamy stripes of bricks had been covered over by the two generations before us so it was less of a shock. Vegplot is good on this - it is very thermally efficient and the house looks different but still fine. It fact it looks very smart! (Apart from the scaffolding, hen houses, random objects collected by dogs and children all over the lawn and heaps of rubble that need removing)

Nick



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

This gives you an idea of how it now looks at Cathryn's



Cathryn



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

We are going to keep woodburning stoves as well. We have enough wood on the farm for our use for a very long time but it is not worth us turning this into pellets. A locally proposed scheme to produce masses of pellets never got off the ground - too much paperwork and too many civil servants and farmers involved.

henchard



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cathryn wrote:
and the next insulation technique is invented.


Aerogel already exists (which has the highest insulation value of any known material) but is very expensive

http://www.proctorgroup.com/products/spacetherm

http://www.thermablok.co.uk

Cathryn



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It was nice to see that the pretty finishes on these old walls were undamaged by this technique.


I am still waiting to see if we can use the hotfish technology for internal heating but for us it's about timing and the slightly daft green deals that are currently available.

The ancient plaster on the inside of the house is starting to fall off as it dries out. I was expecting this but just so you are aware if you go this way.

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Will people be able to breathe in their houses in the future?

Cathryn



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I have no worries about that. Next winter the ice won't freeze on the inside in my bedroom.

Nicky Colour it green



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 11:48 am    Post subject: Re: In need of some stove/boiler / off grid power advice ple Reply with quote    

ricardodba wrote:
Hi,

Just signed up - so, Hello guys, pleased to meet you!



welcome

is the house listed? have you got room in your kitchen for a range ?

I live in an old house, stone walls, and there are mystery drafts all over we keep fixing. We keep pretty warm just using the two woodburning stoves - we burn logs and scrap wood. We have a woodburner in the living room and an esse ironheart in the kitchen which we also cook on and it makes hot water. You can go up a few models and get a range that can do radiators too. We top up with a gas boiler - you could consider oil or lpg

ricardodba



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: In need of some stove/boiler / off grid power advice ple Reply with quote    

Nicky Colour it green wrote:
ricardodba wrote:
Hi,

Just signed up - so, Hello guys, pleased to meet you!



welcome

is the house listed? have you got room in your kitchen for a range ?

I live in an old house, stone walls, and there are mystery drafts all over we keep fixing. We keep pretty warm just using the two woodburning stoves - we burn logs and scrap wood. We have a woodburner in the living room and an esse ironheart in the kitchen which we also cook on and it makes hot water. You can go up a few models and get a range that can do radiators too. We top up with a gas boiler - you could consider oil or lpg


Hi,

Yes there is room for a range or boiler stove in kitchen...Currently there is an old aga in the fireplace in the kitchen which is used for hot water. I dont think it will power CH too...so will replace it and sell the old aga (if its worth anything!)

There is another log burner in downstairs dining room too - which belts out a load of heat - so maybe with a new stove in kitchen i wont need radiators down stairs, just use both burners to heat downstairs... and just have rads in the bedrooms and bathroom upstairs.

i guess it comes down to price of new stove and how much casg i have.

There is a separate oven in kitchen as well as aga. Oven powered by electric and top by gas bottle, which has a feed from outside. So no need to get a new aga type cooker.

House isnt listed.

Cathryn



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
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Location: Ceredigion
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It sounds like it would be worth trying it all out before you do anything too drastic. Our rayburn would keep a less draughty and smaller farmhouse nice and warm and the woodburner is fab!


(Ignore Nick - he is just horribly hungover as usual. The stone work is lovely on a house but sometimes comfort wins out and ours had a few other problems as well.)

Nick



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Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

No hangovers here!

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 15 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

not listed helps a lot in terms of making sure the chimney/flues are in good condition,

if you are going to burn wood in any form make sure the flue liner is the correct type and is in good condition

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