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Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 1:21 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

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It is not right or legal to remove their rights in governing the companies without fair and reasonable compensation.

So who do you suggest pays them ?

In the case of Nationalisation of the Mines in 1947 the Government paid off the old coal owners,from some calculations,more than the industry was worth,
And sold what was left well below market value to its cronies,

But this is not nationalisation proped up by the Government and its not all British companies that have to be purchased,
Will the foreign companies want to lose their cash cows?

Falstaff



Joined: 27 May 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Falstaff wrote:
Firstly I am not a shareholder in any energy company, but there are such, who have paid out their own money for shares in the normal capitalist way.

It is not right or legal to remove their rights in governing the companies without fair and reasonable compensation.

So who do you suggest pays them ?

As I said I am not wanting to do that - but if you have the money, please be my guest !

Otherwise explain please your proposals ?


Well I've read what you've written but I'm still at a loss to understand where this "Brave new Company" is to come from ?

Are you saying that some random civil servants are going to start up an energy company in competition ?

Falstaff



Joined: 27 May 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Falstaff wrote:
Firstly I am not a shareholder in any energy company, but there are such, who have paid out their own money for shares in the normal capitalist way.

It is not right or legal to remove their rights in governing the companies without fair and reasonable compensation.

So who do you suggest pays them ?

As I said I am not wanting to do that - but if you have the money, please be my guest !

Otherwise explain please your proposals ?


Well I've read what you've written but I'm still at a loss to understand where this "Brave new Company" is to come from ?

Are you saying that some random civil servants are going to start up an energy company in competition ?

Tavascarow



Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Location: South Cornwall
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Micro-generation.
Communities generating their own power.
Towns & villages with their own systems.
Instead of vast power stations & a creaking distribution system, small renewable systems all over the country.
You can still use the grid to distribute surplus.
We don't have to buy EDF & the other five out we just make them obsolete.
We are doing it already with rooftop solar & FITs just step it up a notch.
It's already happening, renewable energy is about the fastest growing market out there.
The only thing that's missing is the community involvement.
As I said twice earlier in this thread allow people to buy in to local generation (wind, solar & hydro), have a share of the profit, or profit through cheaper tariffs & watch their objections dissolve.
& AFAIK legislation is changing to allow more public involvement.
Until recently generators weren't allowed to offer cheaper tariffs to locals effected by primarily wind turbines. I heard that's changing soon.

Hairyloon



Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The problem we have is that all of the micro-generators on the grid have to operate through the big energy companies. What we need to do is to find a way through the regulations such that the micro-generators can trade more freely.
Why can I not buy some of your surplus electricity?

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I think it is a bit more complicated than that Taviscarow, but like the idea. According to the Treasury, the utilities weren't making any profits, but I have a strong feeling that was to do with how it was accounted. Since they have been sold off there has been a lot less government income, and even less now they have franchised off the east coast main line, which was making a nice profit.

There is still the problem of base load. Getting someone to organise who and how power will be generated needs to be sorted out regardless of whether we use micro or macro power generation.

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What law is stopping say me selling electricity to my neighbour?

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 15 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hairyloon wrote:
The problem we have is that all of the micro-generators on the grid have to operate through the big energy companies. What we need to do is to find a way through the regulations such that the micro-generators can trade more freely.
Why can I not buy some of your surplus electricity?

The big six are generators bar one which is the National Grid. & I thought, but can't find any figures that the public through the state still own a big chunk of that. Maybe not a majority share holder but one of major influence, I might be wrong.
All of the power being generated now by the smaller solar & wind generators is mainly being sold by smaller companies not EDF powergen et al. So there is no problem with selling into the grid. The only problem has been community involvement.
That legislation is or was being changed.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 15 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The perfect spot for the worlds biggest windfarm.

dpack



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Location: yes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 15 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

for wind it does seem ideal.
moving water has a thousand times more energy per cubic meter at the same speed

searching for the location by name might lead to confusion

RichardW



Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 15 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Treacodactyl wrote:
What law is stopping say me selling electricity to my neighbour?


The one that says you have to be a company to do so (I CBA to look for the actual ACT but its in one of the power supply ones). A group of people on the Navitron forum looked at doing just this but it soon became clear that the costs would out way the profits on a small set up.

Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 15 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Interesting project,

And surprising who we also get electricity from,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32067675

Graham Hyde



Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 365

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 15 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I originally was going to install wind and solar generators but with the size of my electricity bill it did not make sense. Attached photo is this months bill, 10% reduction for paying on time means 308 peso at 70 peso to the pound, less than 5.00 per month.


Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 15 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

No, probably not worth while for you Graham.

The article on the Norwegian power is interesting Ty Gwyn. Better than gas from Russia, but if they run short during dry periods, we will lose the import, so better hope it is windy. Of course if it is still, not only will we lose wind power, but there is more risk of smog from other power sources as the wind won't blow it away.

Long power connections are impressive, but the do lose a lot of power. It only makes sense if they are pretty big, so the losses are less noticable.

RichardW



Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 15 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Mistress Rose wrote:

Long power connections are impressive, but the do lose a lot of power. It only makes sense if they are pretty big, so the losses are less noticable.


To help reduce losses they up the voltage (reduces current) & use DC instead of AC.

I gather that using DC is because over a certain size cable the AC electrons only flow in the outer layer whilst DC uses more of the core too. Plus the DC flow & voltage is constant & the AC keeps the voltage rising & falling so crossing over zero.

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