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Jam Lady



Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 15 6:22 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Desalinization

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/04/04/california-drought-water-restrictions-desalination/25286677/

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 15 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

iirc desalination seems as though it should be easy but it isnt either on a small or large scale unless you use a lot of energy to boil or pump or cool or alter the pressure and similar difficult stuff.

the natural version uses a massive surface area of sea,huge amounts of sunlight and a large set of mountains drop the temp and pressure to get the vapor to condense into rain

mangrove trees are quite good at living in saline water and some plants have salt vaults that are shed with old leaves but most terrestrial flora and fauna is dependent on the rain cycle

Jam Lady



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Location: New Jersey, USA
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 15 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Focus on ground water and farming in California

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/science/beneath-california-crops-groundwater-crisis-grows.html?hpw&rref=us&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 15 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rather sounds like too little too late, but a step in the right direction. I am pretty sure in the UK you have to have a licence to either extract water from rivers or groundwater, and there is some vague threat about utilising what falls on your own ground.

It is possible to get fresh water from saline without using a lot of power or high technology, but it probably wouldn't produce anything like enough. Just using the suns heat to evaporate the water under a plastic cover shaped to drop the condensate into run off channels will produce a fair bit even in the UK, but as I said, probably nothing like enough.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 15 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

From what I've read on the subject the almond crop alone uses around 3.5 billion cubic metres of water per annum. When I first read that I didn't believe it, until I read that there is around one million acres of almonds there, & more being planted.
Walnuts & pistachios are also big orchard crops there, although almonds are the greatest.
The problem with orchard planting is the time investment.
In times of drought a salad or soft fruit grower can cut back production till water is abundant again. Sometimes it's more profitable to put land to fallow rather than pay for extra water.
Orchard trees are long term investments & need copious amounts of water to keep them alive.
Marzipan is going to be expensive this Crimbo.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 15 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

yucca and prickly pear etc etc would require little or no water.

growing almonds is a bit of a luxury crop for what is a desert landscape with a few rivers from the hills.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 15 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

They need 'the water man of India'.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 15 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

He is talking a lot of sense. The first rule of farming is to work with the water, land etc. that you have to get the best crops, not try to change it out of all recognition because you have the technology. Think that is one of the problems with the almonds etc. in California. They are trying to grow too much of a crop because they have the sun and temperature without thinking sensibly about the water.

There is an attempt round here to stop the water run off from new estates by building soak away ponds, but I am still not too happy about it, and think there could be flooding 'downstream', although the only streams are winterbournes further down the valley.

Ploughing across slopes does a lot to do the same as his catchement ponds, but with tractors, that is too dangerous. With horses and oxen, it was usual and resulted in the lynchets or field systems we have round us.

Jam Lady



Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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Location: New Jersey, USA
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 15 5:37 pm    Post subject: Recycled Drinking Water Reply with quote    

Conservation with what some people term a yuck factor - toilet to tap.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/science/recycled-drinking-water-getting-past-the-yuck-factor.html?hpw&rref=science&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 15 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Think the idea of putting the water from treated waste back into the aquifers is a good one. Not only does it make it seem 'cleaner' but it picks up the minerals so is better for people to drink.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 15 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nestle Pays Only $524 to Extract 27,000,000 Gallons of California Drinking Water!!!! Yes twenty seven million American gallons of water for five hundred & twenty four dollars.
We live in an upside down world where Americans have been arrested for protesting because they need a fifty dollar permit first (I kid you not). & a multinational like Nestle rob the country of the very essence of life from a state that's suffering it's worst ever recorded drought.
There are times when I can't believe how crazy the world has become.

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