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orchard restoration , york area ,anyone want to join in?
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dpack



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 15 1:36 pm    Post subject: orchard restoration , york area ,anyone want to join in?  Reply with quote    

after a random meeting with another chap who also wanted to do this we have the backing of the pub and the parish council and treemendous to restore and replant then manage the dormouse orchard .

at the mo there are a dozen or so very old "rare breed"apples in need of hard but tender loving care and a bit of clearance and planting by winter .

probably what we need most is folk who wish to be part of the project long term to ensure that there is a pool of folk for regular or one off tasks .

there might even be "community" apples etc as extra motivation for sorting the future of a couple of acres of mid victorian orchard with a very nice pub attached

have i sold the idea yet

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 15 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

A bit too far from me (mind you most of our orchard needs restoration pruning, years of me neglecting it )

NorthernMonkeyGirl



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 15 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

...which bit of the York area?

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 15 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

possibly not as long as this one has waited for a trim.

it was planted as part of the north yorks lunatic,tertiary syphilitic and get the inheritance from the difficult relative hospital in the mid 19th c

i recon the remaining trees have not been managed since the end of ww2 /rationing .certainly not clipped since the early 1980's

it could be older as the next patch towards town is still medieval ridge and furrow under the rough horse nibbled grass

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 15 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:
...which bit of the York area?


on west of deer st (a19) about a mile and a half north from the walls

i failed a map link but if you look for the dormouse york on google the map will pop up .the orchard is between the pub and the road

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Sounds interesting, but too far for me too.

Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

too far for me, but there is a FB group called Orchards Live. I think they are SW based, but might have links to similar groups oop North.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

York is one of those annoying places that is close enough to visit, but not really close enough to get properly involved in anything...

But I suppose it would be mean of me to not front up for at least one session.

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

ace ,

i think the clump of very close planted 20 yr old leylandii need turning into a specimen for the birds and a pile of chippings .

a question i have about very old apples is about the two that have fallen over .they are both alive and in flower but are they more likely to survive if they are trimmed now to reduce the load on what is a reduced root system?

Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You can summer prune to reduce leaf weight, but really in the winter this will need restorative pruning, and the taking of some scion material if its known and rare.

Behemoth



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Is this it here? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/York/@53.9762741,-1.1093744,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4878c340e19865f1:0x4774ab898a54e4d1

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

yep ,it is the green bit between premier /dormouse and shipton rd)

the map is a bit odd as the dormouse ajoins the premier inn across a small carpark.

ta for the summer prune advice to reduce the leaf load ,i will get on with that .

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
i think the clump of very close planted 20 yr old leylandii need turning into a specimen for the birds and a pile of chippings .


Do you have a chipper, or are you expecting me to bring mine?
I have a slight logistical problem on that front, as I don't have a truck on the road and my trailer is not here at the moment.
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a question i have about very old apples is about the two that have fallen over .they are both alive and in flower but are they more likely to survive if they are trimmed now to reduce the load on what is a reduced root system?

I don't claim to know owt about fruit trees, I just treat trees as trees, and on that score, the general rule is to maintain a healthy root:shoot ratio.

In what manner have they fallen? Any scope for putting them back up?

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i think a chipper wont be needed til winter when nothing is nesting in the clump of close planted leylandii (im keen on removing all but one as they are all choking each other into a cat's hunting heaven rather than being a tall bird reserve)

regarding the fallen apples one has snapped half the roots ,on the mower bashed side , that went over in a bit of a wind a couple of weeks ago ,that one looks like it still has a decent amount of root but it does have some fungal infection (from bashing with a mower grrrr)im not sure about the one that went down last autumn(and it might be a pear there are one or two iirc)
i dont think the two prone fruits will stand up again but as the trunks slope up from the root end i recon they might do new growth ,a bit like planched hedges.
i will have a proper look at them next time i pop up for a pint,they are beasty fat of trunk for apple trees and at a guess among the oldest i have ever seen.
i have seen fruit trees braced with a support to keep the trunk sloping up which might be a possibility or necessity depending on the branches jabbed into the ground .

apart from a bit of summer pruning i dont think there is much to do til fall/winter so it is probably help with some winter work that might be most useful.especially as dropping stuff is safest tackled as a team.

if needs be we can seek the use of a chipper locally,im fairly sure noel( the local green gardener) has one and im going to see if he wants to join in .and the treemendous team might know of one .

i recon that getting folk free good publicity (and apples eventually)is a viable way of getting pro assistance for nowt.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 15 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
i think a chipper wont be needed til winter..

I'll probably have sorted something out by then.

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i dont think the two prone apples will stand up again but as the trunks slope up from the root end i recon they might do new growth a bit like planched hedges.

Potentially worth banking up soil around the root plate?
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apart from a bit of summer pruning i dont think there is much to do til fall/winter

If you want work done in fall, look elsewhere: I ain't going to America to do it.
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especially as dropping stuff is safest tackled as a team.

Arguable, unless the team knows what they are doing: more people = more targets to drop things on.

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i recon that getting folk free good publicity (and apples eventually)is a viable way of getting pro assistance for nowt

A bit too far away for the publicity to be useful for me. I don't mind travelling that far to do work, but generally people expect you to go out and quote first...

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