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Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 15 11:30 pm    Post subject: Been good news for the Green`s this month  Reply with quote    

As the title states,
Lanc`s council turned down Quadrilla application to frack near Blackpool,

Kellingley and Thorsby Collieries to close next month,

Hatfield Colliery announced closure today,

Aberpergwm Colliery to close next month.

OtleyLad



Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Posts: 2737
Location: Otley, West Yorkshire
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Been good news for the Green`s this month Reply with quote    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
As the title states,
Lanc`s council turned down Quadrilla application to frack near Blackpool,

Kellingley and Thorsby Collieries to close next month,

Hatfield Colliery announced closure today,

Aberpergwm Colliery to close next month.


Well yes and no. It would be good if the government had a coherent strategy for substituting fossil-fuel with renewables (which could provide alternative employment).

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 10131

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don't think the closure of collieries without a replacement is a good thing. We need to produce energy, and home produced coal is better than imported gas. As OtleyLad says, a bit of coherent thinking would be a good thing. But then I suppose if market forces dictate closing the collieries, what can (or will) the government do about it. Idiots.

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i recon we could find a viable 30 yr plan from now to fully sustainable in a morning.

removing the tax exemption on the scottish "sporting"estates would incentivize biomass growth etc etc

Tavascarow



Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 8407
Location: South Cornwall
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Fossil fuels, particularly petrochemical are still hugely subsidised by the government. If those subsidies where switched to renewables it wouldn't take long to fill the gap.
Instead the government we have is removing what renewable subsidies exist at present.
Sucking up to big business as usual.

Rob R



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

They can't win.

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tavascarow wrote:
Fossil fuels, particularly petrochemical are still hugely subsidised by the government. If those subsidies where switched to renewables it wouldn't take long to fill the gap.
Instead the government we have is removing what renewable subsidies exist at present.
Sucking up to big business as usual.


Trouble is, when we run out of fuel for 48 hours, carnage ensues. It does need to be changed, but it needs to be managed incredibly well. Not the government's forte (any of them).

Slim



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Mistress Rose wrote:
...home produced coal is better than imported gas.


Anyone care to fill me in on why you feel this way your side of the pond?

Is it primarily because of the jobs? My first thought is greenhouse gas equivalents, and that would point me in the opposite direction....

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 33866
Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
...home produced coal is better than imported gas.


Anyone care to fill me in on why you feel this way your side of the pond?

Is it primarily because of the jobs? My first thought is greenhouse gas equivalents, and that would point me in the opposite direction....


We are an island. We hate being held ransom by foreigners. They could suddenly cut us off and we would starve/freeze to death.

No idea if this is her reason, but it's a common British view.

Falstaff



Joined: 27 May 2009
Posts: 1014

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
...home produced coal is better than imported gas.


Anyone care to fill me in on why you feel this way your side of the pond?

Is it primarily because of the jobs? My first thought is greenhouse gas equivalents, and that would point me in the opposite direction....


Ever heard of such things as .."Balance of Trade..." "...... National Debt...." "........National Interest...." ?

Falstaff



Joined: 27 May 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
Slim wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
...home produced coal is better than imported gas.


Anyone care to fill me in on why you feel this way your side of the pond?

Is it primarily because of the jobs? My first thought is greenhouse gas equivalents, and that would point me in the opposite direction....


We are an island. We hate being held ransom by foreigners. They could suddenly cut us off and we would starve/freeze to death.

No idea if this is her reason, but it's a common British view.


It's also common knowledge that the US of A hoilds the voiew that self-sufficiency in Energy is not only desireable, but essential !

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

it is a bit difficult being rude to the chap who provides ones gas without shooting yersel in the foot

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
...home produced coal is better than imported gas.


Anyone care to fill me in on why you feel this way your side of the pond?

Is it primarily because of the jobs? My first thought is greenhouse gas equivalents, and that would point me in the opposite direction....

The gas is mainly coming from the middle east via tankers through the Suez & from Russia piped across Eastern Europe.
Both areas rather volatile & subject to wars & political upheaval. It wouldn't take a lot to shut GB PLC down completely. A lot of our electricity is being generated by gas turbines now as well because it's cleaner & more efficient than coal & easier to start & stop at peak/slack times.

Bebo



Joined: 21 May 2007
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Location: East Sussex
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Falstaff wrote:


It's also common knowledge that the US of A hoilds the voiew that self-sufficiency in Energy is not only desireable, but essential !


Was that a New Jersey accent?

Slim



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 5318
Location: New England (In the US of A)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 15 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Falstaff wrote:
Nick wrote:
Slim wrote:
Mistress Rose wrote:
...home produced coal is better than imported gas.


Anyone care to fill me in on why you feel this way your side of the pond?

Is it primarily because of the jobs? My first thought is greenhouse gas equivalents, and that would point me in the opposite direction....


We are an island. We hate being held ransom by foreigners. They could suddenly cut us off and we would starve/freeze to death.

No idea if this is her reason, but it's a common British view.


It's also common knowledge that the US of A hoilds the voiew that self-sufficiency in Energy is not only desireable, but essential !


Yes, though many of us differ drastically in our ideal means to this end.

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