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dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 15 2:53 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

strange that a .50 cal long gun or a glock can be had at the equivalent of a car boot sale with no paperwork but to make the first bunny fall over with no bang from a .197 or even an air powered weapon so as to get it's chums is illegal.

spose it is a bit like the no bow hunting in the uk,somebody thought silent was a threat to their stock(or perhaps would make life too easy for person shooters if the rest of the community had no idea there was gunplay in the neighborhood).

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

In the us - ferretting is illegal - even though it is efficient and generally the kindest way of despatching ground dwellers caught in nets.

Bow hunting _ sounds good but experience saw a hen pheasant fly for two fields transfixed on a crossbow bolt going in under one "armpit" and leaving under the other - dead eventually - undoubtedly - but I believe ther is something in the "Shock" of an explosive powered "Hot" bullet which kills far better than a cold "Arrow" or the like.

Slim



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Falstaff wrote:
... I believe ther is something in the "Shock" of an explosive powered "Hot" bullet which kills far better than a cold "Arrow" or the like.


Do you mean beyond the literal shockwave that accompanies a bullet?

Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

And someone bow hunting elk in Montana just survived a mauling by a grizzly bear.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/04/grizzly-bear-mauling/73333344/

Not your typical UK type of situation.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jam Lady wrote:
Not your typical UK type of situation.


You wait for re-wilding to kick in. We've already got beavers in the wild, bears are only a matter of time.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

if im ever after a bear i recon it will get an ied(other lethal devices are available) covered in honey rather than up close n personal

i suspect the pheasant had a target arrow(or toy crossbow bolt) in it(grrrr scumbags) rather than a 3 sided broadhead ,target arrow=pencil sized hole and no space to bleed .a modern 3 blade broadhead =3 cuts ,inch +tube shaped wound and lots of space to bleed(about the same wound track as a 9mm pistol round and a similar delivered energy)

ps i would not go after a bear with a pistol or bow
.497nitro up closeish or .50cal barrett from a decently long distance makes lots of sense for big dangeroos critters

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 15 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
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i suspect the pheasant had a target arrow(or toy crossbow bolt) in it(grrrr scumbags) rather than a 3 sided broadhead ,target arrow=pencil sized hole and no space to bleed .a modern 3 blade broadhead =3 cuts ,inch +tube shaped wound and lots of space to bleed(about the same wound track as a 9mm pistol round and a similar delivered energy)
...............


Well seeing as bowhunting is illegal in the uk - it wouldn't have been a Bear hunting triangular would it - but 9mm - getting there ! certainly far bigger than a 0.22 rimfire

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 15 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

one of my schoolteachers had a polar bear problem when he was watching far northern wolves in alaska in that after it scoffed his marsbar collection it wanted him for a main course iirc two to the chest from a 5.62 ar sorted the problem.he was quite upset at dropping the thing but it was it or him.

i prepped the skull for display (it needed a big pan)and after seeing the size of the teeth i never want to meet one

moral ,if there are bears tooled up just in case makes sense.

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