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Mistress Rose

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 18 8:46 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

You would certainly be able to see where people had dropped them, as there would be a little patch of flowers. Trouble is, people would be dropping them on purpose; still a nice idea.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 18 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'd been thinking about this over the weekend, clothing is probably at least a big an issue as food, this morning as if by magic:


I think I mentioned in the Stella McCartney thread, there are so many synthetics (plastics) in the market now that will end up as a pollution source. There is no sensible way to separate cotton from polyester or wool from nylon at the end of a garments life. I guess modern incineration with really good flue treatment is the only answer. Don't know what you do about tumble dryer fluff or washing machine waste water.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 18 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Had another generic response from Waitrose:

Thanks for your email, Mr Sharif.

The impact of packaging on the environment is something we all care about. At Waitrose cutting down on our use of plastic has been a focus for us and we've reduced our packaging by nearly
50 per cent since 2009.

We’ve also been industry pioneers on a number of things - becoming the first supermarket to stop selling products containing plastic microbeads following our announcement in September 2016.
And we led the way by moving exclusively to cotton buds with paper stems, not plastic. Both these are types of plastic which can end up in our seas, so these actions are important. Last summer,
we introduced more easily recyclable sandwich wrappers - the first in the market with removable plastic liners.

In July we announced a commitment that will make a major impact on the use of plastic in our packaging. By 2025 all our own-label packaging will be widely recyclable (using the widely recycled logo), reusable, or home compostable.

We believe there is a role that recyclable plastic can play with some products - to protect during transportation and to prevent food waste, which is why we are not planning to remove it entirely from our ranges.

Our commitment is a stretching target, but we are determined to achieve it through a mix of innovation and working with suppliers to change how we package the products we sell.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 18 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tumble drier fluff is rather good tinder, which is good or very bad depending on context.

it is a bit ironic that "end"of use "renewable" natural fibres can have several afterlives before they are compost or fuel and "finite" oil based ones have yet to be exploited repeatedly.

whatever the origin mixed fibres are a challenge to reuse but there are some examples especially from the felted products/stuffing/insulation trades.

carding rags and making new from old was industrialised in west yorks soon after the machine card was, all it takes is extra big teeth at the front end and a brave bloke with a bale hook

with oil based fibres i recon a bit of effort playing about with heat and pressure to make composite sheet might be an option, so might a lot of chemical and physical processes to make something new.

getting back to crisp bags, what outlets would be able to stock crisps on a short shelf life basis?
ditto manufacture and shelf life?

thinking outside the box (or should that be bag) could crisps be made to order using a "crispomatic" ( not a tm yet ? )
it cant be that tricky to chuck spuds in one end , oil the side and get a small batch.
something alongside the the "instore" bakery kit to do a half days needs at a time or even a bag sized portion at a go as a vending machine item or a la popcorn with minion and scoop.
a well thought out system that is easy to maintain does not seem impossible.

Mistress Rose

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 18 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Using the old oiled paper bags the crisps would keep for several weeks unopened, so I don't think there would be a problem with turnover these days, as just in time, or just too late as I prefer to call it, seems to be the order of the day.

Interesting about shoddy. I had heard of it, but wasn't too sure what it was. I may be wrong, but it may also have used cotton for the warp and wool for the weft, which would have made the use of poor quality wool even more practical as less strain on the weft.

I found, unfortunately by having to pull miles of nylon yarn from the compost heap, that a good way of separating the wool and nylon is to compost the wool component as the nylon stays. It was the remains of some very worn out home knitted socks, so the nylon was a reasonable thickness and came out all right. I didn't realise how much nylon there was in sock wool until that point.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 18 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don't think it's a final solution, but this person has been working to catch synthetic fibers before they hit waterways: https://coraball.com/

I'm slightly tempted to get one, because line drying doesn't remove dog/cat hair from my clothes the way tumble drying does, but I don't know if this would catch the hairs either.

It's odd to think that micro-fiber concerns may favor tumble drying over line drying in regards to catching some of the loose fibers before the next wash cycle.

Mistress Rose

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 18 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Looks like a good idea. If they get into the shops over here I might get one. I assume they have to be cleaned out every so often and the resulting fluff burnt, otherwise they won't be any good.

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