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bagzi



Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 10 1:30 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Now, Now, Thats a bit strong!

cab



Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 32429

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 10 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
I don't hunt with one, I don't necessarily advocate it, but I will once again point out that there are people in this world that can use them humanely, and have used them as a part of their culture for a very long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieWrWLjii0

(Please make an orderly queue when lining up your jokes about rural southern American "culture")


I wouldn't joke at all, that old geezer is amazing

In the right hands its an accurate weapon. Whether or not its got the punch to down prey at far past point blank range (or larger than, say, a rabbit or squirrel) is really the question.

Slim



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 5421
Location: New England (In the US of A)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 10 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If anyone is using one for something larger than a rabbit, than they're obviously __________ (I feel like I should leave it to Brownbear to fill in that blank)

wabbiter



Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Posts: 38
Location: lancashire
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 10 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

its obvious brownbear would rather blow something to bits than use some skill to take out something with a catapult, the catty has put food on my table for the last 40yrs. and i've found criminals and people with mental problems don't carry catapults they have guns and knives, what do you carry brownbear................

Brownbear



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 14929
Location: South West
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 10 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

When the elastic breaks you can always replace it with one of the strings off your banjo.

BTW, does this presage another prank call to the RSPCA from the habitués of Jack's Shed? Do try to get my name right this time.

wabbiter



Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Posts: 38
Location: lancashire
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 10 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
When the elastic breaks you can always replace it with one of the strings off your banjo.

BTW, does this presage another prank call to the RSPCA from the habitués of Jack's Shed? Do try to get my name right this time.

you've lost me now BB i've never made a prank call to anyone in my life about you or anyone else......mack

matt_hooks



Joined: 01 Aug 2010
Posts: 312
Location: Lambourn(ish) Berkshire
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 10 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

A catapult is difficult to shoot accurately. It takes lots of time and effort to learn to shoot one well.

I have never chrono'd one, but from figures I've seen the power output on the top notch models can be around that of a full powered hunting air rifle, and even beyond. This means that they have the power to deliver a killing blow to small game such as rabbits and squirrels.

Birds should never be shot with a catapult. All wild birds are protected by law. They can only be taken/killed under certain general licences or as game species. No general licence allows the use of catapults to take birds.

It's the age old argument. If you can put the projectile in the right place and deliver the energy, then you can kill cleanly and effectively. If not, then don't even think about picking up a catapult/airgun/rimfire/fullbore rifle and aiming it at another living creature. If you're in doubt then there's no doubt!

But catapults can be very effective at short range, and to dismiss them out of hand, and to generalise their users as criminals and ne'er do wells is shortsighted in the extreme!

Brownbear



Joined: 28 May 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 10 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

matt_hooks wrote:

But catapults can be very effective at short range, and to dismiss them out of hand, and to generalise their users as criminals and ne'er do wells is shortsighted in the extreme!


A person who uses a catapult for hunting is breaking the law, and is thus a criminal.

Have you specifically come onto this site to trawl for posts I've made in order to disagree with them?

matt_hooks



Joined: 01 Aug 2010
Posts: 312
Location: Lambourn(ish) Berkshire
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 10 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
matt_hooks wrote:

But catapults can be very effective at short range, and to dismiss them out of hand, and to generalise their users as criminals and ne'er do wells is shortsighted in the extreme!


A person who uses a catapult for hunting is breaking the law, and is thus a criminal.

Have you specifically come onto this site to trawl for posts I've made in order to disagree with them?


There is no law stating that it is illegal to use a catapult for hunting.

Don't flatter yourself!

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 10 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

matt_hooks wrote:

There is no law stating that it is illegal to use a catapult for hunting.



Causing unnecessary suffering.

matt_hooks



Joined: 01 Aug 2010
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Location: Lambourn(ish) Berkshire
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 10 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
matt_hooks wrote:

There is no law stating that it is illegal to use a catapult for hunting.



Causing unnecessary suffering.


Debatable.

They would need to prove that unnecessary suffering had been caused.

I say again, there is no law against shooting something with a catapult. Show me the words in the statute that state that it is an offence to shoot any animal with a catapult!

Brownbear



Joined: 28 May 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 10 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Righto then, you go hunting with one and see whether you get done for it.

matt_hooks



Joined: 01 Aug 2010
Posts: 312
Location: Lambourn(ish) Berkshire
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 10 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
Righto then, you go hunting with one and see whether you get done for it.


You said it was illegal to use a catapult for hunting, it isn't. Causing unnecessary suffering, yes, that's illegal, but nowhere in law is it defined that a catapult is an illegal hunting method.

I personally wouldn't hunt using a catapult, mainly because I couldn't hit my own foot with one, but I know people who can and do, and achieve quick, humane kills with them too!

Wood child



Joined: 08 Jun 2010
Posts: 45

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 10 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I sense animosity between brownbear and matt... Actually, I haven't been here for a while, so I hope everyone has forgotten that comment about Wales. It was a JOKE.

farmershort



Joined: 17 Nov 2010
Posts: 124
Location: Hampshire
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 10 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
matt_hooks wrote:

There is no law stating that it is illegal to use a catapult for hunting.



Causing unnecessary suffering.


have you seen the youtube videos of the hunter catapult + .44 lead shot going through a leg of lamb.

I agree it's easier to get a headshot on a rabbit with a .22 air rifle, but if you're skilled enough to hit the rabbit with a .44 catty shot, then pretty much any shot will kill it.

furthermore, how long does your average animal spend in cramped transit, holding pens, slaughter lines, before finally being stunned and killed. the few seconds between catty strike, and neck wringing seems fairly acceptable in comparison.

I'm no proclaiming to be a catty hunter. I have a hunter catty, bought through jacksshed, and hope one day to be a good enough shot to have a go at live prey - until that day, I'll stick to the 12 bore or air rifle.

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