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earthyvirgo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:35 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

We're not in Naughty Corner are we ... so I'll hold my rage for now but I am utterly p'd off.

Good and proper

EV

vegplot



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It means more work. We think we have a good appeal case on two grounds. They previously granted permission for a house which wasn't on the same footprint on this plot and a recently published set of guidelines suggest that sustainable build should override some planning 'rules'.

Penny Outskirts



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Are all planning committees made up of locally elected bods? Are they the ones making these decisions?

earthyvirgo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Penny Outskirts wrote:
Are all planning committees made up of locally elected bods? Are they the ones making these decisions?


Don't think it even went to Committee Penny. It's on the recommendation of our Planning officer, who recommended refusal to her manager.

EV

Penny Outskirts



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

earthyvirgo wrote:
Penny Outskirts wrote:
Are all planning committees made up of locally elected bods? Are they the ones making these decisions?


Don't think it even went to Committee Penny. It's on the recommendation of our Planning officer, who recommended refusal to her manager.

EV


Is total pants

Bebo



Joined: 21 May 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

A single house would almost certainly have been a delegated decision (i.e. down to the officer). I'm not sure if there is any way that you could have forced them to take it to committee, where the decision might have been different. It's bloody annoying when it comes down to the luck of the draw in terms of what officer you get.

earthyvirgo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bebo wrote:
A single house would almost certainly have been a delegated decision (i.e. down to the officer). I'm not sure if there is any way that you could have forced them to take it to committee, where the decision might have been different. It's bloody annoying when it comes down to the luck of the draw in terms of what officer you get.


Are we right in thinking that going to Appeal takes it out of the slippery hands of Anglesey Planners, and it goes to an independent inspector?

EV

tahir



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

earthyvirgo wrote:
Are we right in thinking that going to Appeal takes it out of the slippery hands of Anglesey Planners, and it goes to an independent inspector?

EV


Yes

Bebo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yes. I goes to the Planning Inspectorate. They are independent of local political issues and will look at the proposal on its own merits against current national and regional planning policy. They will also look back at precidents set at other appeals, so it might be worth seeing if there are any similar cases out there.

farmershort



Joined: 17 Nov 2010
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Location: Hampshire
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

earthyvirgo wrote:
Penny Outskirts wrote:
Are all planning committees made up of locally elected bods? Are they the ones making these decisions?


Don't think it even went to Committee Penny. It's on the recommendation of our Planning officer, who recommended refusal to her manager.

EV


are you on the field-to-farm forum? I assume you've read the book? The author is on the forum every few days, and is very helpful with advice on specific planning issues.

HTH

Adam

earthyvirgo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

farmershort wrote:
earthyvirgo wrote:
Penny Outskirts wrote:
Are all planning committees made up of locally elected bods? Are they the ones making these decisions?


Don't think it even went to Committee Penny. It's on the recommendation of our Planning officer, who recommended refusal to her manager.

EV


are you on the field-to-farm forum? I assume you've read the book? The author is on the forum every few days, and is very helpful with advice on specific planning issues.

HTH

Adam


Nope, but will take a look at it as I'm currently looking at various forums (fora?) which might contain useful info.

Thanks for the tip.

EV

farmershort



Joined: 17 Nov 2010
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Location: Hampshire
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

earthyvirgo wrote:
farmershort wrote:
earthyvirgo wrote:
Penny Outskirts wrote:
Are all planning committees made up of locally elected bods? Are they the ones making these decisions?


Don't think it even went to Committee Penny. It's on the recommendation of our Planning officer, who recommended refusal to her manager.

EV


are you on the field-to-farm forum? I assume you've read the book? The author is on the forum every few days, and is very helpful with advice on specific planning issues.

HTH

Adam


Nope, but will take a look at it as I'm currently looking at various forums (fora?) which might contain useful info.

Thanks for the tip.

EV


hope it helps.... the proper forum is beneath then "members" section, to get in there you need to have bought the book, as the password is in the book... I can recommend it as being worth it... especially as you'll then have direct access to the author, who often tells people exactly what they have to send back to the council.

RichardW



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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Damm.

What reasons have they given?

earthyvirgo



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Location: creating prints in the loft, Gerlan
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

RichardW wrote:
Damm.

What reasons have they given?


Briefly:

- not being on the old footprint
- being a new dwelling in the *open countryside*
- being an obtrusive feature in the landscape which is out of character with the existing pattern of development in the immediate vicinity

The plain facts of the matter: i.e it's an old established plot with well defined 'clawdd' perimeter, so difficult to understand how they're defining it as 'open countryside', the original PP wasn't on the old footprint, the village is a mish-mosh of traditional and modern style buildings etc, etc have had no bearing whatsoever on the decision.

Lets hope the planning inspector is less entrenched in local politics and policies and has eyes and ears

EV

earthyvirgo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 11 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hmmm, have just found a very interesting definition online of 'Open Countryside'

"Open farmland and fields that don't have the infrastructure nearby that is needed for development".

Our wee plot is on a minor road, bounded on the other three sides by traditional Welsh 'cloddiau'. It has had a property on it (as far as we know) for at least 100yrs.

It's a big 'Thank goodness for t'interweb' when it comes to doing this sort of research.

Also come across something called "One Planet Developments" which makes for very interesting reading.

EV

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