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gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 8616
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 11 1:29 pm Post subject:

I've not long had the Ebico price list.

Gas is 4.79 pence per unit. (including VAT)

Electricity (Domestic Standard rate) is 15.82 pence per unit (inc VAT)

No standing charges, just the unit charge, and it is the same however you pay.

What I'm wondering is that why different areas vary from 14.34 in the Yorkshire area, to 15.91 in the South West. Especially as the gas price is standard everywhere.

OtleyLad

Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Posts: 2737
Location: Otley, West Yorkshire

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 11 1:37 pm Post subject:

gz wrote:

I wondered that too. Just another way of making it harder to compare like for like? (As if the electrons care)

shopgirlsue

Joined: 26 Jul 2006
Posts: 197
Location: Nr Shaftesbury

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 11 1:55 pm Post subject:
I'm with npower and pay 16p per Kw for the first 366kw per month then 12.8p (I think ) I'm on 'juice' which is their green tariff - although I don't know how green it is - I inherited it from the previous owners ! We pay by direct debit about £41 per month

Nell Merionwen

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
Posts: 16300
Location: Beautiful Derbyshire

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 11 2:03 pm Post subject:
I no longer know. I don't pay it

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 42207
Location: North Devon

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 11 2:33 pm Post subject:

gz wrote:

What I'm wondering is that why different areas vary from 14.34 in the Yorkshire area, to 15.91 in the South West. Especially as the gas price is standard everywhere.

We get posher cables.

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 19023
Location: Leeds

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 11 4:16 pm Post subject:

gz wrote:

What I'm wondering is that why different areas vary from 14.34 in the Yorkshire area, to 15.91 in the South West. Especially as the gas price is standard everywhere.

Transmission costs. The gas costs the same getting it too you doesn't. Is my thoughts.

OtleyLad

Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Posts: 2737
Location: Otley, West Yorkshire

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 6:48 am Post subject:

Behemoth wrote:

gz wrote:

What I'm wondering is that why different areas vary from 14.34 in the Yorkshire area, to 15.91 in the South West. Especially as the gas price is standard everywhere.

Transmission costs. The gas costs the same getting it too you doesn't. Is my thoughts.

Don't we have something called the national grid?
Big, fat, gas pipes (with pumping stations in between) buried in the ground surely have a higher capital/maintenance cost that wires strung between poles?

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 19023
Location: Leeds

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 6:59 am Post subject:
Yes....and no: https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Networks/GasDistr/Pages/Gasdistr.aspx

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 8616
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 7:00 am Post subject:
easier than me typing all this out, have a look at them this way https://www.ebico.org.uk/electric-prices Distance from generation doesn't seem to figure entirely. Possibly it is left over from when there were independent generation companies, pre national grid? Makes you think of oil and gas, where it is more expensive near the refinery, eg Milford Haven... Politics

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 7:02 am Post subject:
Errm, isn't it the leccy prices that are varying in gz's post? The gas price is the same across the country from that supplier. That's how I read it anyway.

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 19023
Location: Leeds

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 7:07 am Post subject:
Whoops, same principle though: https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/NETWORKS/ELECDIST/Pages/ElecDist.aspx "Distribution costs account for about 20 per cent of electricity bills."

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 8616
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 7:33 am Post subject:

sean wrote:

Errm, isn't it the leccy prices that are varying in gz's post? The gas price is the same across the country from that supplier. That's how I read it anyway.

yes

ninat

Joined: 01 Feb 2009
Posts: 606
Location: Scotland

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 11:05 am Post subject:
paying about £40 per month. Was cosidering changing bulbs to LEDs but will take a long time to pay them off so plan to wait till their prices come down. Have just bought a kettle for the log burner- will take about a year to recoup the cost. Have a new fridge freezer and cooker as old ones finally bit the dust, so should see improvement with those.

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 19023
Location: Leeds

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 11:12 am Post subject:

gz wrote:

sean wrote:

Errm, isn't it the leccy prices that are varying in gz's post? The gas price is the same across the country from that supplier. That's how I read it anyway.

yes

Because they choose to set their tariffs that way.

gil
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Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Posts: 18409

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 11 11:13 am Post subject:
Yes, I got a stove-top kettle from a charity shop, for use in winter to bring leccy usage down. Didn't think about how long it might take to recoup cost, as useful in power cuts too.

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