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Mary-Jane



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 10 8:29 pm    Post subject: Inherited guns...  Reply with quote    

My late brother's guns have been rescued, brought back to me and added to our growing collection of shotguns. We now have quite a number varying from mid-Victorian shotguns, to more modern ones.
Gervase thinks that three or four could be well worth restoring (my grandfather and father's guns) as they are quite beautiful. Does anyone know of reputable gun restorers, or have any general advice?

sean
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 10 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Not personally. This lot seem to turn up quite a bit in searches. And they're based in Devon, so they must be good.
http://www.ukgunrepairs.co.uk/index.htm

12Bore



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 10 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Henry Monk, in Chester.

Calli



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 10 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

12Bore wrote:
Henry Monk, in Chester.


Seconded. My brother swears by them.

Ruralnaedowell



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 11 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I would reccomend Mr Jackson in Ellesmere Port for an honest appraisal and fairly priced quality work. He is a proper old school gunsmith and his bench is behind the counter in his shop.

You probably know that a lot of gunmakers, even the famous names don't do the work themselves and will send your guns out to the trade and add a healthy % for themselves. Thus if you send your london gun back to the makers for a new set of barrels at 8000, they most likely will be done in the midlands, including the engraving on the rib with " London"
Cheers

Mary-Jane



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 11 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

GreenGurl wrote:
I would also suggest you start learning a bit about restoring in your spare time, just so you know what the restorer is talking about.


Gervase has been giving them a bit of a 'do' and has been looking them up online - there are three or four that are quite old and nice with it.

Ruralnaedowell



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 11 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What are the makers names ?

Gervase



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 11 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The three guns of interest are a Wallas 12-bore sidelock (Wigton, c 1890), a Greener 16-bore sidelock (Birmingham, c 1880) and an Army & Navy CSL 20 bore (London, c 1900). All three are hammer guns, the Greener and the A&N with damascus barrels (although BNP) and the Wallas with 20th century replacement steel barrels.
All three are missing the firing pins, which isn't a major problem, but the Greener is also missing a hammer, which is more of a problem, as the remaining hammer is a beautifully cut and chased serpentine item which will be a beggar to replace. The Wallas has a broken rear trigger, and all three need restocking.
TBH the cost of repairs will be probably greater than the guns' commercial value, but they are family heirlooms, so that's not a hugely relevant factor.

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 11 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

use the 2 least pleasing to pay for the nice one to be made useable?

Ruralnaedowell



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 11 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Gervase wrote:
The three guns of interest are a Wallas 12-bore sidelock (Wigton, c 1890), a Greener 16-bore sidelock (Birmingham, c 1880) and an Army & Navy CSL 20 bore (London, c 1900). All three are hammer guns, the Greener and the A&N with damascus barrels (although BNP) and the Wallas with 20th century replacement steel barrels.
All three are missing the firing pins, which isn't a major problem, but the Greener is also missing a hammer, which is more of a problem, as the remaining hammer is a beautifully cut and chased serpentine item which will be a beggar to replace. The Wallas has a broken rear trigger, and all three need restocking.
TBH the cost of repairs will be probably greater than the guns' commercial value, but they are family heirlooms, so that's not a hugely relevant factor.


Sound great, I love the old hammerguns, there used to be lots still in general use by the old timers. You would see them at fox hunts cramming nitro cartridges in !
When I was a nipper, there used to be an old boy in Llanfyllin who you would sometimes see out on the hill below the lonely tree with a hammergun worn bright grey with use in his enormous hands.
I remember the farmer greeting him with gritted teeth and muttering about how he had better not be shooting my ducks, when he had gone !

For myself I would have the mechanical and wood repairs done and leave the original finish as it is, or be very subtle about it. The dings and zings are a nice records of your ancestors hands, sport and days out !

Over refinished hammerguns can look really nasty with reblued hammers and trigger guards etc, especially if the finish is worn underneath. Treaclelly reproduction case hardening is offensive to the eye as well. Same with over polished actions etc.
With the barrels - there is only a very small number of people who are mostly very old, who can properly reproduce the original browning on damascus barrels. Modern efforts can be a horrible chocolate or ginger colour, so ask to see some examples of work done.

Mary-Jane



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 11 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
use the 2 least pleasing to pay for the nice one to be made useable?


We've got 10 others to choose from dpack

Mary-Jane



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 11 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Gervase wrote:
All three are missing the firing pins...


I've got a feeling that they're the three we used to have on the wall at home when I was younger. I may even have a photo of them somewhere. I remember the local firearms officer saying to Dad he could put them up on the wall if he took the firing pins out. Goodness knows what happened to them after that.

barrel browner



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 12 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: Inherited guns... Reply with quote    

Mary-Jane wrote:
My late brother's guns have been rescued, brought back to me and added to our growing collection of shotguns. We now have quite a number varying from mid-Victorian shotguns, to more modern ones.
Gervase thinks that three or four could be well worth restoring (my grandfather and father's guns) as they are quite beautiful. Does anyone know of reputable gun restorers, or have any general advice?


Hi email me I specialize in gun restoration will post some pics on here if anyone is interested stevensandjohnson@talktalk.net

barrel browner



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 12 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

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A refinished damascus Greener gun, and a blacked Piotti

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