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Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 7:29 am Post subject:

toggle wrote:

it's blindingly obvious if you think about this logically.

horse is not a cheap substitute for beef.

so if someone was making money out of substituting horse for beef, then this wasn't horse that could ahve been sold legally.

if tou think someone should be eating it, eat it yourself

But when there's a flood of discarded horses onto the market it becomes a cheap substitute. And the reason it couldn't be sold as horse legally is likely to be more of a surplus of supply and temporary lack of demand; nothing to do with safety. (Although screening for bute would have been nice).

There was such a flood when Romania banned horses on the highway.

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 8:31 am Post subject:
Well said Nick.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 8:35 am Post subject:

RichardW wrote:

Well said Nick.

That doesn't make it safe to eat. If you let it into the food chain you make a mockery of the whole system and the people who stick to it.

Nick

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 8:38 am Post subject:
No, it doesn't. But I did mention bute testing. Clearly, the system is flawed, badly, I was just highlighting that Toggle's assumption that it wasn't legally saleable (given the drug testing) was wrong. It probably was fully safe, just got a better price if sold as beef.

Rob R

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 9:02 am Post subject:

Yeah, I was just meaning that Richard having not seen the evidence is similar to the authorities not seeing it. The poor might wish to eat it, but it should be their free choice, not the whim of a well fed westerner who couldn't be bothered to check.

The main problem is that the richest countries want ever cheaper food, which strides our ability to produce it at home, and stop people from eating their home grown produce.

oldish chris

Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 9:20 am Post subject:

The meat producers will put me right:

My understanding is that there is a process to ensure than meat is fit to eat. It boils down to ticking boxes. If all the boxes are ticked then we can be confident that the meat is OK. If the box ticking is avoided, then the meat may well be OK, but who knows?

(I do realise that a little old tick may be the result of two years diligence on the part of the farmer)

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 10:26 am Post subject:
Essentially, yes, but you could always lie when you tick a box (or don't tick it).

Rob R

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 10:59 am Post subject:
There's a little more to it than that, including on farm inspections, vet checks, cross referencing, prescription only medicines, slaughtered checks & training. Trouble is that it doesn't necessarily apply to imports.

toggle

Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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Location: truro

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 11:11 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

No, it doesn't. But I did mention bute testing. Clearly, the system is flawed, badly, I was just highlighting that Toggle's assumption that it wasn't legally saleable (given the drug testing) was wrong.

It probably was fully safe, just got a better price if sold as beef.

what else are you going to test it for?

do you have any tracability?

i'm back to what i said before. eat it yourself

Nick

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 11:25 am Post subject:
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mochyn

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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Location: mid-Wales

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 11:29 am Post subject:
We tried some of BOTT's horse jerky at the weekend. Brought some home too: it's yummy.

Rob R

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Location: York

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 11:36 am Post subject:
Was it as good as IKEA meat balls?

mochyn

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 11:44 am Post subject:
Don't know: I've never had Ikea meatballs.

Rob R

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 11:47 am Post subject:

mochyn wrote:

Don't know: I've never had Ikea meatballs.

Not knowingly, anyway...

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 13 3:25 pm Post subject:
Horses have passports just like cattle. They should have all meds noted again just like cattle. Movements are recorded. So its down to trust for horses & cattle that the records have been kept honestly. The best option is still to raise your own, or buy from a personally trusted source.

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