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Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 13 7:37 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

So the result of pulling the subsidies will be another 1000 or so people out of work. And of course they should be willing to go for anything to get another job; toilet cleaning, zero hours contracts etc. Grrrr.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 13 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

At least the renewables sceptics will be happy & the jobless will be forced to cut back on their electricity consumption.

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 13 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
At least the renewables sceptics will be happy & the jobless will be forced to cut back on their electricity consumption.


On the other hand, if you base your opinion on the facts...

“Market conditions in Europe have become increasingly severe over the past 18 months. A 30% drop in the unit price of European solar panels since the beginning of 2012 has left Wrexham’s output uncompetitive.

“In line with the corporation’s shift in its solar business strategy towards Sharp’s domestic market, the majority of panels produced at the plant during 2013 have been sold in Japan. From 2014, production for the Japanese market will be outsourced. This means maintaining capacity of Wrexham’s solar production is, regrettably, unsustainable.”

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 13 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
At least the renewables sceptics will be happy & the jobless will be forced to cut back on their electricity consumption.



Maybe to make the Greenies happy,apparently all apprentices at Hatfield Colliery,Doncaster have been advised to find other jobs,
And to top it off 70 other workers have been made redundant,
And the future does`nt look rosey.

Last month Pentreclwydau/Unity Colliery went into administration in the Neath Valley with the loss of 230 workers,
Reading the prospectus from the Administrators looking for 60million of investment is like reading a party political paper before an election,
Its full of PR bull----,they don`t even seem to know what type of coal is underground or its market,but highlight the key management as the future saviours of this Colliery,when in fact ,there lies the problem of this Colliery with vast reserves,run by morons with high salaries.

What ever the fuel that is used in the UK for generation,we simply do not have a proper energy policy,there is no joined up writing,and the next 10yrs is going to be interesting,if not worrying.

Rob R



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 13 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Treacodactyl wrote:
Rob R wrote:
At least the renewables sceptics will be happy & the jobless will be forced to cut back on their electricity consumption.


On the other hand, if you base your opinion on the facts...

“Market conditions in Europe have become increasingly severe over the past 18 months. A 30% drop in the unit price of European solar panels since the beginning of 2012 has left Wrexham’s output uncompetitive.

“In line with the corporation’s shift in its solar business strategy towards Sharp’s domestic market, the majority of panels produced at the plant during 2013 have been sold in Japan. From 2014, production for the Japanese market will be outsourced. This means maintaining capacity of Wrexham’s solar production is, regrettably, unsustainable.”


It was meant to be a joke, rather than an opinion, apart from the cutting back on their consumption bit - that is a likely outcome, for some of them, though.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 13 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
Rob R wrote:
At least the renewables sceptics will be happy & the jobless will be forced to cut back on their electricity consumption.



Maybe to make the Greenies happy,apparently all apprentices at Hatfield Colliery,Doncaster have been advised to find other jobs,
And to top it off 70 other workers have been made redundant,
And the future does`nt look rosey.

Last month Pentreclwydau/Unity Colliery went into administration in the Neath Valley with the loss of 230 workers,
Reading the prospectus from the Administrators looking for 60million of investment is like reading a party political paper before an election,
Its full of PR bull----,they don`t even seem to know what type of coal is underground or its market,but highlight the key management as the future saviours of this Colliery,when in fact ,there lies the problem of this Colliery with vast reserves,run by morons with high salaries.

What ever the fuel that is used in the UK for generation,we simply do not have a proper energy policy,there is no joined up writing,and the next 10yrs is going to be interesting,if not worrying.


It's a shame there's noone with a level head (and a big bank balance) to take on all these failing industries, scuppered by idiots in charge.

ETA - this has just come up in my Twitter feed (that sounds like some kind of birdseed...).

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 13 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Can't see that Rob as I am not on Twitter.

Ty Gwyn, I agree there is no joined up thinking about energy policy and that higher management are often the problem. For years now I have wished I was in a position to go into a large company and tell them to cut the rubbish, management speak, and financial manipulation and look at the facts, find them out if they don't know them, and generally to instil a bit of straight thinking into things.

As far as I can see, all we as individuals can do is to make sure that we can function as far as possible without centrally supplied power, both for our own benefit, and to help those that can't where we can.

Nick



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 13 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You don't need to be on Twitter. Just click the link.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 13 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I did, and it came up with a screen over the article asking me to sign up.

Nick



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 13 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yeah, me too. Close it, it's nothing to do with twitter tho.

Penny Outskirts



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 13 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Mistress Rose wrote:
Can't see that Rob as I am not on Twitter.

Ty Gwyn, I agree there is no joined up thinking about energy policy and that higher management are often the problem. For years now I have wished I was in a position to go into a large company and tell them to cut the rubbish, management speak, and financial manipulation and look at the facts, find them out if they don't know them, and generally to instil a bit of straight thinking into things.

As far as I can see, all we as individuals can do is to make sure that we can function as far as possible without centrally supplied power, both for our own benefit, and to help those that can't where we can.


Or you could switch to Ecotricity, where the management has very joined up thinking

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 14 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
According to local news it will involve carbon capture and storage under the seabed.


Notice the Government are providing funding up to 2 billion for this carbon capture,

Yet refused a lot less funding for a similar plant at Hatfield Colliery,year before last? when Budge and the Russian company were running the business,and planned on carbon capture to the same system being banded by Drax,alongside the Colliery.


Whitehall dithering threat to clean coal cash hope

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 14 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks Rob,
No wonder that statement from the Energy minister that coal would be fazzed out by 2020/30,thought it did`nt add up at the time.

This dragging of the feet,Twice,on this matter of carbon capture,is i`m afraid the doorway for fracking.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 14 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

There are so many things that need doing but governments drag their heels over for want of upsetting the voters/their political careers. I guess that is a consequence of fewer people voting - the politicians and in the hands of an ever decreasing minority.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 14 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

No, it is another instance of politicians not being able to make up their minds. It will upset some voters, and has in the past. Seats have been lost because the government of the time has not been able to make up its collective mind or has decided that one city has more need than another. At present, the Conservative MPs in Portsmouth are facing a sticky position as naval shipbuilding is to be moved to Scotland. It has happened before; the Labour MP lost his seat several decades ago for similar reasons.

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