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unlacedgecko

Joined: 21 Nov 2009
Posts: 32

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 9:01 am Post subject:

dpack wrote:

unlacedgecko wrote:

Ty Gwyn wrote:

This is what happens when the Labour government brought out the right to roam,a new peasants revolution,
They`ll never learn till rover is filled with lead.

Then they cry about it. Some people will never learn.

and your point is ?

That a lot of dog owners don't seem to understand the damage their dog can do to livestock. Even should the worst happen, and their out of control dog be shot in the act of worrying, the owner will still try and take the farmer to court for 'slaughtering their beloved family pet, who was only trying to play with the sheep.'

Someone said earlier on the thread that their dog running deer does no actual harm. All it takes is for the deer to make a mistake and then the large mixed breed dog will be on them doing lots of actual harm. The dog only has to be lucky once, the deer have to be lucky every time...

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 9:39 am Post subject:

OtleyLad wrote:

Rob R wrote:

You may be surprised how little it costs, given a suitable piece of land, it might be possible to pay as little as £60/acre if you take on the upkeep for the owner to claim the subsidy. Find 100 people willing to share the costs and it might be less than £10 each per annum.

Sounds like a plan. What is the subsidy that the owner can claim?

The Single Payment Scheme.

madcat

Joined: 24 May 2008
Posts: 1265
Location: worcester

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 5:40 pm Post subject:
Anybody care to comment on the dog that attacked and killed a pensioner in his own Liverpool garden . It's about time dogs were properly controlled and people woke up to the dangers they can pose to other animals and each other.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Posts: 4591
Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 5:44 pm Post subject:

madcat wrote:

Anybody care to comment on the dog that attacked and killed a pensioner in his own Liverpool garden .

It's about time dogs were properly controlled and people woke up to the dangers they can pose to other animals and each other.

The problem is (nearly) always the owner rather than the animal.

madcat

Joined: 24 May 2008
Posts: 1265
Location: worcester

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 5:53 pm Post subject:
The person or animal being savaged doesn't have time to ponder the finer points. I agree that some people aren't fit to keep a stuffed toy never mind a living animal. I still consider dogs to be potentially dangerous and I'm not particularly keen on them. I get on ok with the few who belong to friends though because I've known them some time or from new.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 5:55 pm Post subject:

madcat wrote:

The person or animal being savaged doesn't have time to ponder the finer points.
I agree that some people aren't fit to keep a stuffed toy never mind a living animal.
I still consider dogs to be potentially dangerous and I'm not particularly keen on them.
I get on ok with the few who belong to friends though because I've known them some time or from new.

The scouse dog hadn't been fed or watered for nearly two whole days.

The problem is with people, not dogs, generally. In this case, the owners, and in your case, you. It's understandable, and ok.

Treacodactyl
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 25795
Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 6:02 pm Post subject:
Yep, dogs, cars, firearms, livestock and even cats get blamed but it's down to people in the end. Having said that, as a dog owner, I wouldn't be against some form of dog licence if it actually stopped the wrong type of people owning them. Big if mind.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 6:12 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Yep, dogs, cars, firearms, livestock and even cats get blamed but it's down to people in the end. Having said that, as a dog owner, I wouldn't be against some form of dog licence if it actually stopped the wrong type of people owning them. Big if mind.

With a mandatory course on helminths

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 6:14 pm Post subject:

This same subject has also come up on another forum at the moment, and I thought this comment (from Scotland) was worth repeating;

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And we can't keep tourists out of any fields because of the Land Reform Act (Scotland) 2003

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 45516
Location: yes

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 14 6:49 pm Post subject:

the scouse dog was as much a victim of humans as the poor chap that got chewed.

in general folk who are scared of dogs will be treated as showing low quality aggression by dogs which puts them in the "dangeroos and need avoidance or action" category ,how that works out depends on training an/or control by their human and the subsequent behavior of the person who is upsetting the dog.

as one of the subjects of this thread is safeguarding birdlife i think bringing cats into the equation might be a good idea.imho most moggies are very good at aviacide .

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 14 7:59 pm Post subject:
Just seen these excellent signs on Twitter;

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 14 12:44 am Post subject:

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Emma Smith said she felt "absolutely terrified" as she was trampled by the cattle while walking her dog on the Lizard in west Cornwall last June.

She is calling for farmers to separate cows with calves from public footpaths.

Perhaps we should just stop dogs from being allowed on public footpaths altogether, with a path going through every field here, we'd be forced to keep the cattle off site for a handful of people that use the route. We tried fencing off the footpathbut the council weren't at all keen, as they said it would 'exclude people from the countryside'.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4563
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 14 8:36 am Post subject:
Maybe farmers should install phones on the start of footpaths so dog walkers could phone the farmers for him/her to escorts the walkers across the Hostile territory. At a fee of course,lol.

Truffle

Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 526

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 14 9:52 am Post subject:

Just to mention, ground nesting birds that aren't grouse:

Lapwing numbers in decline: https://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/l/lapwing/decline_and_conservation.aspx

Curlew numbers in decline: https://www.rspb.org.uk/ourwork/projects/details.aspx?id=263911

The moor that we border with here, is a breeding ground for both these species. Every year chicks are killed by dogs and its very disheartening to see. I also often see dogs bothering nests (I'm embarrassed to say, on the last occasion I was cycling past and did nothing, the owners were running over to retrieve their pet), despite the large amount of signs asking for those to be kept on leads.

Every year here, a lamb or two is found, damaged and has to be put out of its misery if it is still alive.

Dogs are great and keeping dogs on leads at key points of the year is a small price to pay for access and to protect wildlife. I just hope the minority of dog owners don't eventually ruin things for the majority of dog walkers.

Shan

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 9075
Location: South Wales

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 14 10:00 am Post subject:
The problem seems to be that the minority always shout the loudest to get what they want.

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