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RichardW



Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 14 5:48 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Lol

Thats not even close to a tonne of wood (the half load) even when wet. I am guessing it was a two ton trailer that they used.

That looks like about 1m3 to me so a 2m3 load if thats half of it. If nice dry oak I would say about 1/2 ton max. If fresh cut about double that.

However for £90 it was a good buy. I would be charging £90 for a 1m3 large bulk bag filled to bursting. I can get two on my small (750kg mam) 600kg load trailer & not be over weight.

wellington womble



Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Location: East Midlands
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 14 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That's an excellent load for the price in bucks though. We were really starting to struggle for wood the last few years, and it's getting more and more expensive.

RichardW



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 14 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

wellington womble wrote:
That's an excellent load for the price in bucks though.


Yes the price is great, that was not my point.

Its the practice of selling firewood by weight when

a, its not been weighed in any way.
b, it encourages selling it when wet.
c, you cant compare the true value with other suppliers.

In this case if it is truly dry seasoned wood (4 years might be a bit short for Oak if its been in lengths for all that time) its looks like a good deal.

jamanda
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Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Location: Devon
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 14 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

RichardW wrote:
wellington womble wrote:
That's an excellent load for the price in bucks though.


Yes the price is great, that was not my point.

Its the practice of selling firewood by weight when

a, its not been weighed in any way.
b, it encourages selling it when wet.
c, you cant compare the true value with other suppliers.

In this case if it is truly dry seasoned wood (4 years might be a bit short for Oak if its been in lengths for all that time) its looks like a good deal.


Round these parts you buy by the load - that being a totally subjective volume depending on the size of the suppliers pick-up.

vegplot



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Location: Ynys Môn
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 14 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Chickpea wrote:
So, the logs arrived on the back of a smallish tipper. Two tons of it! It's in the garage, in the garden covered by a tarp, up the garden, you name it. I think for £90 it's a real bargain, mostly four year seasoned oak. I think it will keep me going for a while.... This pile is half of the load, rest already piled in garage.


That's certainly not two tons.

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 14 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Richard, I agree with you. We are frequently asked about 1ton of firewood, but we always sell by volume. We use 'a load' but tell them the back of our truck (the load) is a bit over 1cum so they will end up with just under 1 cu m when stacked. Our Coppice Group had a firewood day last autumn and using 9-10" logs, tumbled into a 1 cu m plywood container, we measured the volume of all the trucks we had. Ours came out at 1.3 cu m that way, but of course it also depends on the length and diameter of the wood.

I think you got a very good deal on that one anyway. We are currently charging £90 for about 1 cu m. I would check the oak. As Richard says, some of it may be seasoned, but if it was left unsplit, it can take 10 years or more for it to season properly. We have some trees that have fallen, the bark and sapwood have rotted, but the heartwood is still green enough to make shingles out of.

jamanda
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 14 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You need some other woods along with oak. Getting just oak going can be a pain, but it's good to have some to put on last thing to keep going through the might.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 14 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If you can get it, some ash or possibly beech would be good. Ash will burn green or dry, but whatever you put on, open the air up a bit to drive any residual moisture up the chimney, then shut down.

I would suggest the best would be ash or beech for burning up then shutting down, and oak for overnight. At that rate, the oak will last you for years, but it would mean buying some extra firewood.

If you have the room inside the house, it is best to bring in enough wood for a weeks supply, then have the stuff for 1-2 days by the fire so as much moisture as possible is removed. In the UK it is unlikely you will constantly have much below 20% moisture content in wood stored outside.

Liz in Ireland



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 14 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

This is interesting , I should have been splitting my logs much earlier for maximum seasoning, have tended to have them outside for year plus (I know a year is short),and then split before I stored in shed.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 14 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

To season wood as quickly as possible, I would suggest splitting and cutting to length. It gives the biggest possible area for the sun and wind to get to. I must admit it is easier to store in log form, but if you can cut and split, then stack on a pallet or otherwise off the ground with just a covering on top, you will get it seasoned as fast as possible.

We use a temporary structure a bit like a poly tunnel to season the wood as this acts a bit like a solar kiln, but we are talking far larger quantities than most people would want to use each year.

crofter



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 14 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

http://www.boredpanda.com/wood-pile-art/

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 14 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I have seen some of those before Crofter. I particularly like the fallen tree one. Not sure they are really for use, but lovely all the same. All I can say is that they must have time on their hands; stacking logs takes ages.

wellington womble



Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15027
Location: East Midlands
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 14 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Those are lovely. Unfortunately, my wood pile very quickly starts to look like a pile and not even a stack, let alone a work of art! I'm always amazed at the woodpiles in France - all so neat, the same length and girth. I know they all grow and cut their own coppice in the area I was in, which I suppose makes it more uniform. We have always bought by the load and had a mixed bag of sizes and species. Ah, well next year.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 14 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ours, if it ever get anywhere at home is always more of a heap as we have all the bits we can't sell; a bit overlength, bent, forked, too knotty.

I think the firewood on the continent tends to come mainly from fairly uniform trees, whereas ours tends to be more thinnings and coppice restoration so is often forked and funny shapes.

Bodger



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 14 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If you follow this link to the bitter end, then you'll find the log store that I made a few years ago. Its still doing sterling service.

http://forum.downsizer.net/about41788.html&highlight=wood+store

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