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Falstaff



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 14 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

A mile of pipe ! runs through a farm you say !

I'd be wondering just how many "unofficial" connections there were to that pipe !

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 14 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Sounds as if well water may be an advantage for you Jettejette, but you may want to consider a few things that others have raised. You will need to get your well water analysed to make sure it is potable, and it might be very different from the mains supply. As Graham has said, you might be changing from soft to hard water. There is also the problem of whether the well will run dry. It will not contain the chlorine that the mains water contains, so mustn't be stored static for too long otherwise it can grow things.

Have you tried dowsing to find the route of the pipe? It can be quite effective.

jettejette



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 14 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

A neighbour used a dowser to find a leak. That worked pretty well in the dry weather. Not sure about when the ground is so saturated aas it is now.

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 14 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It will work just as well with saturated ground.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

There should be a difference between a water pipe and saturated ground. A good dowser might be able to find if the pipe has a leak too, but never tried that so I don't know. I think I can tell the difference between electricity, gas and water cables/pipes. Husband knew a man who could tell the size of a telephone cable, the large ones I mean, and he was accurate too.

Nick



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Yep. It will work equally well in all those cases and in wet or dry conditions. That will not affect it at all.

crofter



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Nick wrote:
Yep. It will work equally well in all those cases and in wet or dry conditions. That will not affect it at all.


I thought it might work better in the wet. More dilution effect?

Nick



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

crofter wrote:
Nick wrote:
Yep. It will work equally well in all those cases and in wet or dry conditions. That will not affect it at all.


I thought it might work better in the wet. More dilution effect?


Nope. It simply doesn't work anywhere, under any conditions.

https://www.skeptics.com.au/publications/articles/australian-skeptics-divining-test/

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

there is prize money for a positive proof still available afaik

gpr /electroresistance/magnetometer readings /vibration analysis(passive or active)/extrapolation from observed surface features will find a lot of stuff underfoot that eludes those with a forked stick or rock on a string.

forked stick dipped in snake oil has a zero record of finding the target in any of many well constructed tests

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

ps

by looking at surface level features and evidence recorded from a variety of diggings around the area and the road routes and the odd shape of the hump of land we live on top of (it seems unnatural based on standard river flood plain topography) im fairly certain of what is below .

im not going to dig a well here as i recon we live over the north western edge of the biggest roman cemetery outside the walls of york and lead coffin thoughts would put me off the idea of well digging.

a worm hole test pit might confirm or deny that about 4 metres down

or i could shake a stick and suggest "dig here"might have archeology

Behemoth



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

You need permission to dig holes in York. There's a specific act.

oldish chris



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Has anyone any idea why the developed world moved away from wells to piped water?

The stuff that comes out of your tap is continuously monitored for pollutants and bacteria and is disinfected. Factors affecting the flavour are chlorine (obviously), "hardness" (Calcium Hydrogen Carbonate and Magnesium Carbonate) and other minerals, such as Potassium and Sodium Chloride. All sorts of gadgets are available to reduce the amount of these substances. such as ion-exchange resins, activated charcoal, or simply boiling. (Drink either beer or tea - which is what everyone had to do prior to piped water.)

I'd put in a new pipe. Not sure, but I don't think that digging a trench is required these days.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Behemoth wrote:
You need permission to dig holes in York. There's a specific act.


for good reasons imho

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 14 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Most mains services through farm land from the meter would have been done by Mole plough,

The topography will tell you nothing about where it lies.

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 14 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

If you don't believe in dowsing, fine. I find it works well for me. I equally believe that geophysics can work, and think they work on the same principle. I don't use a forked stick dipped in snake oil, just metal dowsing rods.

If we dig a well here, which would be quite deep, we would be getting the same water that comes out of our taps except for the chlorine. This isn't always the case of course, but as you say Chris, at least you know what is in tap water, and as in Dpacks case, you could be going though some rather unpleasant things that could get into the water.

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