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vegplot



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 15 9:54 pm    Post subject: New ‘Super Cookies’ Can Track Your Private Web Browsing  Reply with quote    

And Apple users can't get rid of them...

Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/super-cookies-hsts-security-private-2015-1#ixzz3OSSR93A8

Nick



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 15 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Well, they can. They just use something other than Safari. Windows users using Safari also can't get rid of them, presumably? One shouldn't confuse hardware with software.

There's certainly the ability to clear cookies on iOS devices, depending on the browser.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 15 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
Well, they can. They just use something other than Safari. Windows users using Safari also can't get rid of them, presumably? One shouldn't confuse hardware with software.

There's certainly the ability to clear cookies on iOS devices, depending on the browser.


Not owning an iOS can you install browsers other than the built in Safari?

Nick



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 15 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yep. I use chrome all the time.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 15 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
Yep. I use chrome all the time.


It was s stupid question. I should know we test against iOS devices.

kGarden



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I know squat about HSTS, clearly! :

"Most websites place what’s called a “cookie” on visitors’ computers, which is used to track them and record their preferences. It’s how websites can remember your password, for example."

Really? Can't say I've checked, but I would be worried if Passwords were remembered by cookies My browser pre-fills the ones I've asked it to, I assume it uses something more robust than cookies.

Cookies would store a session number, which would "keep" me logged in, but "passwords"??

"Firefox has since developed a solution to the issue, by no longer carrying HSTS over to private windows. It is, however, a trade-off — favouring “privacy over security,” Greenhalgh writes. If you're trying to buy something from a web site using a private Firefox tab and you load an unencrypted version of the page, then it won't correct you — meaning your credit card info won't be encrypted once you send it."

Surely it would redirect to secure protocol? Otherwise how would it ever switch to secure protocol the very first time you accesses the site?

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

privacy requires going dark

partial privacy can be achieved with tor,linux and newer versions of pgp in combination afaik

even(especially)secrecy protocols have back doors

look at or say or do what you are willing to share in a way you are willing to share it with those who might be interested .

as far as mainstream commercial stuff they are only interested it what to try to sell you and what sort of risk you pose to their investment in insurance .

vegplot



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

kGarden wrote:
Really? Can't say I've checked, but I would be worried if Passwords were remembered by cookies My browser pre-fills the ones I've asked it to, I assume it uses something more robust than cookies.


They're often stored in a locally stored file as far as I know.

The article is more of a heads up rather than anything proactive someone can do as an end user.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

re passwords

dont do anything online that requires security and then passwords dont really matter

put a limit on paypal etc that requires a phone call and further security to exceed ,dont do online banking or use a debit card (duh)etc,dontb post birthdays addresses etc.

online security is a myth ,just ask yourself if only god knows everything why does he report to mossad even when he does not mean to?

the correct answer to that question would show promis.

oldish chris



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I use Firefox.

If I decide to go somewhere inadvisable, (usually to see which sucker's system wants me to log on to their version of Paypal and confirm my details) I use a strange browser called Midori with privacy settings on.

However, when I close my browser down for the day (I like to close down completely, in the olden days we called it a "graceful close-down"), my lappy is still busy, system monitor tells me that its firefox (but its disappeared from the laptop).

I wonder what the bloomin thing is up to? Sorting out its cache of tracking and advertising stuff?

kGarden



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

oldish chris wrote:
when I close my browser down for the day (I like to close down completely, in the olden days we called it a "graceful close-down"), my lappy is still busy, system monitor tells me that its firefox (but its disappeared from the laptop).


Pah that's nothing! When I boot up and BEFORE I open Chrome, its grabbed itself a GB or so of memory ... I have NO idea what it is up to at that point ...

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

that sounds like a serious secure and clean might be required

vegplot



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 15 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

oldish chris wrote:
I use Firefox.

If I decide to go somewhere inadvisable, (usually to see which sucker's system wants me to log on to their version of Paypal and confirm my details) I use a strange browser called Midori with privacy settings on.

However, when I close my browser down for the day (I like to close down completely, in the olden days we called it a "graceful close-down"), my lappy is still busy, system monitor tells me that its firefox (but its disappeared from the laptop).

I wonder what the bloomin thing is up to? Sorting out its cache of tracking and advertising stuff?


Linus Torvalds knows exactly what you do and when you do it.

oldish chris



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 15 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

vegplot wrote:
oldish chris wrote:
I use Firefox.

If I decide to go somewhere inadvisable, (usually to see which sucker's system wants me to log on to their version of Paypal and confirm my details) I use a strange browser called Midori with privacy settings on.

However, when I close my browser down for the day (I like to close down completely, in the olden days we called it a "graceful close-down"), my lappy is still busy, system monitor tells me that its firefox (but its disappeared from the laptop).

I wonder what the bloomin thing is up to? Sorting out its cache of tracking and advertising stuff?


Linus Torvalds knows exactly what you do and when you do it.
You do realise that you are offending my deeply held beliefs.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 15 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

oldish chris wrote:
You do realise that you are offending my deeply held beliefs.


Excellent!

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