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Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 15 2:19 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Treacodactyl, there is someone who has previously hunted our property using a shotgun with a solid slug (called a sabot, I believe.) Edited to add - he still hunts. Picks a spot and sits there, for hours in needed, sometimes with snow settling on his head and shoulders, beard and all.

There are different seasons for bow hunting, black powder, and the shotgun / solid slug. Here in New Jersey long guns - rifles such as a 30-06 - are not allowed as they have such a long "carry" and we are considered too densely populated.

It is different across the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. There's hunting on the state land there, as well as on private property.

And when we were in Colorado last week it was bow hunting season in the national forest. For example, the San Juan National Forest (one of the places we were off-roading) is 2,936 square miles / 1.8 million acres. Deer and also elk are hunted there.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 15 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 15 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

my ex fil(deer warden for 22000 acres) used a rifle shot to the neck with a powerful frangible round (it was an old but very posh gun and i have no idea of caliber etc)from on high which seems ideal for a variety of reasons ,especially in woodland where there are obstructions/cover at ground level and the potential to miss and overshoot into unseen places.

Slim



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 15 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

My part of the country very few use shotgun unless near town.

Bear season started about a month ago, archery season is about to start for moose and deer, rifle season starts for moose in a couple weeks and for deer in about a month and a half. After deer rifle season, muzzleloader season starts up (December) at the same time archery re-opens for deer.

The staggering of seasons is a big part of the reason that many hunters here do bow and muzzleloader in addition to rifle.

Bodger



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 15 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Treacodactyl wrote:
It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?


Not just hard but illegal in the States.

Hunting is not just a passion in parts of America, its not only a way of life, its an industry too and that's why its extremely well policed.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 15 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bodger wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:
It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?


Not just hard but illegal in the States.


Only in a few states, licenseable in others hence the question.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 15 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I offered to get my friend in NYS a noise moderator and he declined the offer, because being found with one in his possession could have seen him in clink.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 15 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

strange that a .50 cal long gun or a glock can be had at the equivalent of a car boot sale with no paperwork but to make the first bunny fall over with no bang from a .197 or even an air powered weapon so as to get it's chums is illegal.

spose it is a bit like the no bow hunting in the uk,somebody thought silent was a threat to their stock(or perhaps would make life too easy for person shooters if the rest of the community had no idea there was gunplay in the neighborhood).

Falstaff



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

In the us - ferretting is illegal - even though it is efficient and generally the kindest way of despatching ground dwellers caught in nets.

Bow hunting _ sounds good but experience saw a hen pheasant fly for two fields transfixed on a crossbow bolt going in under one "armpit" and leaving under the other - dead eventually - undoubtedly - but I believe ther is something in the "Shock" of an explosive powered "Hot" bullet which kills far better than a cold "Arrow" or the like.

Slim



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Falstaff wrote:
... I believe ther is something in the "Shock" of an explosive powered "Hot" bullet which kills far better than a cold "Arrow" or the like.


Do you mean beyond the literal shockwave that accompanies a bullet?

Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

And someone bow hunting elk in Montana just survived a mauling by a grizzly bear.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/04/grizzly-bear-mauling/73333344/

Not your typical UK type of situation.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jam Lady wrote:
Not your typical UK type of situation.


You wait for re-wilding to kick in. We've already got beavers in the wild, bears are only a matter of time.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 15 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

if im ever after a bear i recon it will get an ied(other lethal devices are available) covered in honey rather than up close n personal

i suspect the pheasant had a target arrow(or toy crossbow bolt) in it(grrrr scumbags) rather than a 3 sided broadhead ,target arrow=pencil sized hole and no space to bleed .a modern 3 blade broadhead =3 cuts ,inch +tube shaped wound and lots of space to bleed(about the same wound track as a 9mm pistol round and a similar delivered energy)

ps i would not go after a bear with a pistol or bow
.497nitro up closeish or .50cal barrett from a decently long distance makes lots of sense for big dangeroos critters

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 15 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
..........
i suspect the pheasant had a target arrow(or toy crossbow bolt) in it(grrrr scumbags) rather than a 3 sided broadhead ,target arrow=pencil sized hole and no space to bleed .a modern 3 blade broadhead =3 cuts ,inch +tube shaped wound and lots of space to bleed(about the same wound track as a 9mm pistol round and a similar delivered energy)
...............


Well seeing as bowhunting is illegal in the uk - it wouldn't have been a Bear hunting triangular would it - but 9mm - getting there ! certainly far bigger than a 0.22 rimfire

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 15 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

one of my schoolteachers had a polar bear problem when he was watching far northern wolves in alaska in that after it scoffed his marsbar collection it wanted him for a main course iirc two to the chest from a 5.62 ar sorted the problem.he was quite upset at dropping the thing but it was it or him.

i prepped the skull for display (it needed a big pan)and after seeing the size of the teeth i never want to meet one

moral ,if there are bears tooled up just in case makes sense.

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