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Tavascarow



Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Location: South Cornwall
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 16 8:44 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

I was thinking this way myself.
I'm picking Alexanders, Three cornered leek, navelwort, primrose & dog violet flowers.
& a staple in my house nettle tips.

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 16 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

We have very few violets at the moment. We found the first few on Saturday although I have been looking in some of the most likely places.

Slim



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 16 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: Fill the Gap With Foraging Reply with quote    

Jam Lady wrote:
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Allium ursinium - ramps, a wonderful spring green.

...

What do you have / forage / find?


Jam Lady, I'm guessing that what you're calling ramps are what I call ramps, which are actually Allium tricoccum. I don't know that Allium ursinium actually grows wild in the U.S.

I'm waiting for the ramps to get a bit bigger here, than I'll be scooping some out, and hopefully the morels will be showing up soon as well

Might try for some dandelion greens soon

Jam Lady



Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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Location: New Jersey, USA
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 16 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That's true, Slim. Except I planted Allium ursinium in my woods where they are happily propagating, sufficiently to harvest a few.

joanne



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Morecambe, Lancashire
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 16 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Fill the Gap With Foraging Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Jam Lady wrote:
...

Allium ursinium - ramps, a wonderful spring green.

...

What do you have / forage / find?


Jam Lady, I'm guessing that what you're calling ramps are what I call ramps, which are actually Allium tricoccum. I don't know that Allium ursinium actually grows wild in the U.S.

I'm waiting for the ramps to get a bit bigger here, than I'll be scooping some out, and hopefully the morels will be showing up soon as well

Might try for some dandelion greens soon


What you call Ramps - Allium tricoccum , we don't have in the UK, however we call Allium ursinium - Ramsons or Wild Garlic and there is bucket loads of it out here at the moment.

We also have loads of young nettle tops and the Jack By the Hedge or Garlic Mustard - Alliaria petiolata should be appearing very soon.

Hosta's don't really get going here until about May but I've never tried them as a veg, mint is getting going as well.

Jam Lady



Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 16 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Garlic mustard, Alliaria petiolata is a foreign exotic invasive weed. Evergreen - or should I say winter green, and young ones are already popping up. There's enough in my woods that I could make garlic mustard pesto for the entire state of New Jersey Fortunately if I pull it and lug across the street my neighbor's sheep come galloping and devour it enthusiastically.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 16 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

So ready seasoned lamb then Jam Lady.

Slim



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 16 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

My grandmother used to talk about filling this gap as a child (and getting to eat greens again for the first time since fall).

The first wild green they'd get was cowslip (which means marsh marigold Caltha palustris over here).

Then they'd get into some dandelion greens.

Finally the first milkweed shoots and greens (less toxic at that point) which she remembers being "slippery" when cooked.

It's worth noting that the 1st and last on the list require somewhat careful cooking to make edible, and that all 3 are somewhat diuretic (I think). I've heard it said elsewhere that yearly consumption of diuretic greens acts as a bit of a purification and exercise for some bodily systems. Maybe that's why she's lived to 103? (so far)

I'm sure she must have also gotten her fair share of ostrich fern fiddleheads, another potentially toxic one, though that seems to be more because all ferns seem to be potentially carcinogenic and in reality folks have been eating ostrich fern fiddleheads here for centuries. Fiddleheads are still fairly widely eaten as a spring green here. They're even sold in the supermarket.

Andrea



Joined: 02 May 2005
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Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 16 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

We're having wonderful salads at the moment based on chickweed, with navelwort, sheep sorrel, mallow and dandelion and a handful of pretty blue flowers I don't know the name of. Masses of wild radish which I cook as a green or use in salad. Plantain and dead nettle too. I'm trying to expand my nettle patch so have left them alone this year so far, but later on I'll pick a few leaves and dehydrate. I dry fat hen in huge quantities for winter.

Collecting carqueja and fennel at the moment to dry for tea, later I'll add elderflower.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 16 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

we have Allium triquetrum, the three cornered leek along the banks of the ouse in york ,i suspect a roman introduction but it might be a more recent skp from gardens.

there is some wild garlic as well.

among my favourite forage for early spring includes a selection of tree buds and young leaves starting with the pines and moving onto hawthorn ,beech,lime etc etc .
they need to be buds or very young as they develop protective tannins, resins, toxins etc quite soon after bud burst.

a good one to grow for the gap is cardoons as the peeled stems are rather nice,when i have had the space i have used cloches and raw manure under the growing media to give a warm microclimate for a variety of super early or rather late stuff .i recon temp is far more of a problem than the amount of light for many leafy things and a few extra degrees with a very low risk of freezing gives a four season salad bowl if you chose the hardier varieties.

for the truly chilly one might survive on lichen if you process it properly but starvation and freezing to death is better than eating the stuff

Slim



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 16 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
...i recon temp is far more of a problem than the amount of light for many leafy things and a few extra degrees with a very low risk of freezing gives a four season salad bowl if you chose the hardier varieties....


Careful with that if you're concerned about nitrate levels in your foodstuffs

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 16 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
dpack wrote:
...i recon temp is far more of a problem than the amount of light for many leafy things and a few extra degrees with a very low risk of freezing gives a four season salad bowl if you chose the hardier varieties....


Careful with that if you're concerned about nitrate levels in your foodstuffs


the manure goes in a deep trench ,the salad roots are in the normal soil above it so they feed as usual.if planted strait into manure they could be a bit nitratey if the roots survived.the manure is to provide a bit of extra warmth as it rots.i spose if one was very worried the manure could be separated from the grow media by a sheet of plastic which could be pulled out later.

Slim



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 16 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
Slim wrote:
dpack wrote:
...i recon temp is far more of a problem than the amount of light for many leafy things and a few extra degrees with a very low risk of freezing gives a four season salad bowl if you chose the hardier varieties....


Careful with that if you're concerned about nitrate levels in your foodstuffs


the manure goes in a deep trench ,the salad roots are in the normal soil above it so they feed as usual.if planted strait into manure they could be a bit nitratey if the roots survived.the manure is to provide a bit of extra warmth as it rots.i spose if one was very worried the manure could be separated from the grow media by a sheet of plastic which could be pulled out later.


It's less about N supply, and more about lack of light. In deep winter with short days there isn't enough photosynthate (non-structural carbohydrates) being produced for the plant to regulate it's osmotic pressures the way it wants to. (especially with temperature stresses) so it shuts down nitrate assimilation, and keeps nitrates around for osmotic regulation. (also there's less solar energy to power the nitrate assimilation and provide carbon for the nitrogen to be paired with)

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 16 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
dpack wrote:
Slim wrote:
dpack wrote:
...i recon temp is far more of a problem than the amount of light for many leafy things and a few extra degrees with a very low risk of freezing gives a four season salad bowl if you chose the hardier varieties....


Careful with that if you're concerned about nitrate levels in your foodstuffs


the manure goes in a deep trench ,the salad roots are in the normal soil above it so they feed as usual.if planted strait into manure they could be a bit nitratey if the roots survived.the manure is to provide a bit of extra warmth as it rots.i spose if one was very worried the manure could be separated from the grow media by a sheet of plastic which could be pulled out later.


It's less about N supply, and more about lack of light. In deep winter with short days there isn't enough photosynthate (non-structural carbohydrates) being produced for the plant to regulate it's osmotic pressures the way it wants to. (especially with temperature stresses) so it shuts down nitrate assimilation, and keeps nitrates around for osmotic regulation. (also there's less solar energy to power the nitrate assimilation and provide carbon for the nitrogen to be paired with)


interesting,i wonder if that applies to winter forage of leafy greenstuffs ?i suspect tree leaves are powered by stored carbs and until bud burst and are less of a problem than overwintering stuff or very early sprouters.

im beginning to wonder about nitrate levels in sap as well.

i spose if one is reliant on home grown or forage the extra nitrate is less of a worry than a lack of vit c but it is worth considering as a potential problem .

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 16 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

As far as sap and young leaves are concerned, people have been using those as food and drink for hundreds or thousands of years and survived. I know they tended to die younger, but not usually of cancer which is what you would expect from high nitrates.

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