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Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 15 4:11 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Hi guys - great to see it finally!

Yes, not just apples, but basically all fruit can be grafted. Id stick apples to apples (but any kind), pears to pears, and plum rootstock can take plums, sloes, damson etc...
Ive done budding too, and its been even more successful, so if your grafts done take in Feb then you get another bite at it in July and August for budding.

Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 15 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

re grafting tape - I use parafilm, but any film is good - its the tightness thats important. PVA glue? Dont think so - you wont get a tight enough quick fix.

The one really important tip to mention is - when you cut either grafts, scion or budding material DONT let your skin touch the cut surface - otherwise you wont get it to take.

OtleyLad



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 15 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Lorrainelovesplants wrote:
Hi guys - great to see it finally!

Yes, not just apples, but basically all fruit can be grafted. Id stick apples to apples (but any kind), pears to pears, and plum rootstock can take plums, sloes, damson etc...
Ive done budding too, and its been even more successful, so if your grafts done take in Feb then you get another bite at it in July and August for budding.


Look after the root stock and you can graft again the following spring.

Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 15 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ive been growing mine.....

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 15 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

PVA glue is not waterproof either, so will wash away before the graft has taken.

Slim



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 15 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Lorrainelovesplants wrote:
re grafting tape - I use parafilm, but any film is good - its the tightness thats important. PVA glue? Dont think so - you wont get a tight enough quick fix.

The one really important tip to mention is - when you cut either grafts, scion or budding material DONT let your skin touch the cut surface - otherwise you wont get it to take.


I should clarify. I wrote that before seeing your article. What is new for me is to do a small strip of parafilm to hold the graft in place (and seal it) and then to use a larger piece of parafilm to wrap the entirety of the scion (sealing it from transpirational losses of water). The glue trick is to do the same (small strip of parafilm to hold the graft) but to paint on the glue around the scion and over the graft union. This also reduces transpirational losses.

I haven't done enough to say anything with confidence, but both methods look promising. They should yield higher success rates.

The waterproofness of PVA isn't really an issue if the new grafts are being cared for in a polytunnel, etc... as the scion should be leafing out through it by the time it's moved to an exposed area with rainfall.

Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 15 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Obviously we do things differently either side of the pond. I think from what you describe you are aiming to use the PVA in a similar way that wax used to be used for grafting here. I think it may be better for budding.

Slim



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 15 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Wouldn't the wax have just been applied to the cut end at the top of the scion? The parafilm wrap, or glue paint job would coat the entire scion to reduce water loss.

I don't have any data to state that it's better, but it's worth experimenting with if you're curious!

Lorrainelovesplants



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 15 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

no, over here I dont actually do anything to the cut end of the scion thats at the top, just wrap the bottom bit thats being fixed to the rootstock. Also, leaving the whole of the scion (apart from the wrapped bit) lets me 'see' if the wood is alive and has 'taken'.

Cathryn



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 15 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

More questions. I didn't expect the root stock to arrive until next year but apparently I can expect them this weekend. What do I do? I am thinking pot them up and wait until next year to identify decent bits of the plum tree that I'm hoping to graft from or do I get on and do that this weekend?

It's temporarily stopped raining but it's a slight struggle standing upright in the wind.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 15 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cathryn wrote:
More questions. I didn't expect the root stock to arrive until next year but apparently I can expect them this weekend. What do I do? I am thinking pot them up and wait until next year to identify decent bits of the plum tree that I'm hoping to graft from or do I get on and do that this weekend?

It's temporarily stopped raining but it's a slight struggle standing upright in the wind.
They will be fine heeled in somewhere sheltered.

Slim wrote:
Wouldn't the wax have just been applied to the cut end at the top of the scion? The parafilm wrap, or glue paint job would coat the entire scion to reduce water loss.

I don't have any data to state that it's better, but it's worth experimenting with if you're curious!
Lorrainelovesplants wrote:
no, over here I dont actually do anything to the cut end of the scion thats at the top, just wrap the bottom bit thats being fixed to the rootstock. Also, leaving the whole of the scion (apart from the wrapped bit) lets me 'see' if the wood is alive and has 'taken'.
Grafting wax was traditionally used to seal grafts before plastic grafting tapes became popular.
Grafts where tied then waxed.
Tape saves the bother of having to carry a burner to melt the wax & there's far fewer health & safety issues. It is as Slim says also used on the exposed cuts to reduce transpiration.

Cathryn



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 15 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thought so, thank you.

OtleyLad



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 15 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I've used electricians insulation tape with success - secret is to make it as tight as you can to press both cambium edges (rootstock and scion) in as close contact as possible.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 15 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I've used clingfilm with good results.
It UV degrades but lasts long enough for grafts to take.

Cathryn



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 16 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

As usual the year has got away from me! Am I too late to graft a plum? Our plum is now flowering but we are a bit behind places a mile or two inland.

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