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Jam Lady



Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: New Jersey, USA
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 17 8:29 pm    Post subject: Beautiful Cattle  Reply with quote    

Have seen them before, but usually in the distance. Today they were up at the end of their pasture close to the road. So on my way home I pulled in to the driveway and walked along the fence to get some pictures. Lovely group of



British White cattle! quietly relaxing in the shade on a summer day



Not what I would have expected to see, here in the great Garden State of New Jersey.

gz



Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 5817
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 17 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Good to know there are other herds around, I don't think that there are many of them left

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 32725
Location: yes
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 17 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

nice looking moos

Shan



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 7055
Location: South Wales
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 17 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I do love coos.... such pretty eyes..

gregotyn



Joined: 24 Jun 2010
Posts: 1365
Location: Llanfyllin area
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 17 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Lovely cattle-quiet breed from what I remember of a herd I went to see at a rare breeds farm in Dorset a long time ago. I didn't get the job, mores the pity.

Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 3960
Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 17 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Of the ones I`ve seen in rare breed sales,these cattle in New Jersey are by far better quality.

gregotyn



Joined: 24 Jun 2010
Posts: 1365
Location: Llanfyllin area
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 17 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That is right Ty Gwyn, they do look well filled in New Jersey compared to those I saw in UK, I believe in fit not fat but what do I know I'm a pig man!

gythagirl



Joined: 18 Feb 2010
Posts: 1417
Location: Somerset
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 17 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

They are beautiful! I thought they were White Park Cattle, are they different breeds? Or are they differently named in the US?

Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 3960
Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 17 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Different breeds,White Park are horned and a lot older breed,British White are polled,but their black points are similar,could possibly be graded up from an Angus crossing way back giving the polled gene,similar to Murray Grey cattle in Australia.

gythagirl



Joined: 18 Feb 2010
Posts: 1417
Location: Somerset
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 17 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thank you

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 33626
Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 17 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

gythagirl wrote:
They are beautiful! I thought they were White Park Cattle, are they different breeds? Or are they differently named in the US?


I think Chris Reeves had some and there were photos on here. Reevesrarebreeds, maybe? Can't find anything using search. But. Lovely white cattle with dangerous horns up near Stafford or somewhere.

Jam Lady



Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: New Jersey, USA
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 17 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

These might be American British White cattle. Not sure of the differences but there is a breed registry with that name. They're described as a calm breed, good mothers, stocky frame, bred for meat but also a mention of good milkers (for calves, maybe?) If I ever stop at the house, knock at the door and ask questions I'll let you know.

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 32725
Location: yes
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 17 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

chillingham, park and british are all whiteish cattle but they are very different critters (dead, worried at times and relaxing )

the NJ ones look like ace beasts and compare well with the breed club examples from both sides of the pond as below.

usa ones to compare with uk ones

Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 3960
Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 17 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Chillingham are White Park cattle in Northumberland I believe.

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 17 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

chillingham have been a closed herd since the middle ages,

very very savage.

they have some aurochs anatomy especially in the feet

very very savage

they are managed from a distance with no handling, vet interference etc etc . (cull with buffalo gun from a safe distance is used as a kindness or to get the castle christmas roast )
if you handle one it's chums will shun it and might kill it
the ones that were moved to protect the genetics in case of disaster were "surprised" and woke up in scotland, decided they were all in it together and just got on with life
the herd changes bull every 3 to 5 yrs with the young bull herd doing cow n calf protection and sparring while each waits for the chance to kill the king
a few kings rejoin the young bull group if deposed, some go solitary, some die of wounds ( or are culled kindly)
they are more nimble than their size might suggest and anything closer than about 50m on foot is likely to get one killed unless there is a safe refuge very close , they usually decide to kill you when you are about 30m away, they give little warning.
they go for vehicles closer than about 25 m
sometimes they hide for a surprise

very very savage

i like em , rob and myself were lucky enough to get a personal tour from the head moo keeper who carried a very large pistol, never got out of the rather solid vehicle if he could avoid it and had a realistic view of his charming critters .

very very savage moos

park and brit white are domesticated
chillingham are not domesticated, they are contained by a long boundary wall
but it is their land and they are very very savage

i spose they have proven ideal for deterring intruders around a borders castle

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