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sean
Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: North Devon
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I'm left-handed and use normal knives without a problem. Some people reckon a left-handed bread knife is worth the money, I'm unconvinced. A decent pair of left-handed scissors is a boon however. Mine are Fiskars and I can't recommend them highly enough. |
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Shan
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 7531
Location: South Wales
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 17 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Mr Shan is also left handed and uses ordinary knives. |
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Slim
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 5232
Location: New England (In the US of A)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 17 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Should I be embarassed that I don't understand how a knife has a handed-ness unless the handle is particularly angled?  
All of my kitchen knives feel the same in either hand and their handles appear to be symmetrical..... |
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Nick
Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 33825
Location: Hereford
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 17 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Knives do not have to be handed at all. |
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Shan
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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Location: South Wales
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 17 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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No. I'm not sure I get it either.... but the Downsizers are a strange lot. |
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NorthernMonkeyGirl
Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Posts: 4343
Location: Peeping over your shoulder
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I've got a little knife that has a different finish to each side of the blade, so I suppose that coating plus any angles it's ground at could make it "handed"?
Could you have the blade sharpened in such a way that it's leftie? |
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Hairyloon
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 14982
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 17 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Slim wrote: |
| Should I be embarassed that I don't understand how a knife has a handed-ness unless the handle is particularly angled? |
Not at al. It's not a thing I'd've thought about if I'd not been moaned at about.
On some knives the cutting edge is beveled. I can see it might make a difference and I'm not minded to argue that it doesn't. |
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Nick
Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 33825
Location: Hereford
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 17 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Hairyloon wrote: |
| Slim wrote: |
| Should I be embarassed that I don't understand how a knife has a handed-ness unless the handle is particularly angled? |
Not at al. It's not a thing I'd've thought about if I'd not been moaned at about.
On some knives the cutting edge is beveled. I can see it might make a difference and I'm not minded to argue that it doesn't. |
The meat does not give a rats arse which way the steel slides thru it. She's been had.
You can buy her her desires or correct her error. Only you know if you love her or the truth more. |
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Hairyloon
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 14982
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.
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| Nick wrote: |
| The meat does not give a rats arse which way the steel slides thru it. |
No, but the wrong bevel tends to make the vegetable slices go wonky...
And did we ever discuss the rat based cat food? If you're gutting one of those you'd want it to give a rat's arse... |
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jema
Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 26612
Location: escaped from Swindon
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Nothing I have read about knives suggests a one side bevel is normal. |
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Nick
Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 33825
Location: Hereford
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Hairyloon
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 14982
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.
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Funnily enough, I went shopping there yesterday.  |
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Hairyloon
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 14982
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.
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Funnily enough, I went shopping there yesterday. |
And I would not go there again. A blunt knife without a point: won't cut a pepper...
The first thought is that it is a return that has been resold, but they assure me that they don't do that sort of thing and the knife is supposed to be like that...
But in a separate letter they say that if we're not happy and return it in a saleable condition then they would give a refund... |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 33981
Location: yes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 17 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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ok i have my general purpose kitchen blade in front of me , i will try to describe it.
the handle is roughly symmetrical but with a slight dimple for the thumb, the handle/tang is hand sized
the blade is 4mm thick, 125 mm long and 60 mm wide ie rectangular
the ridge to end has a rounded corner with a 6mm hole through it
think small cleaver 
it is made of forge welded steels in the jacobs ladder pattern ( rather nice metal )
it came with an "unhanded" edge with a hollow ground form of about 15mm and was edged for about 1.5mm at 20 degrees
i have improved on that
on the thumb side it now has a flat ground edge about 5mm wide retaining the hollow grind behind that
on the finger side it is flat ground for about 18 mm from the edge, this gives a slightly wavy line between the edge and flat due to the metal being forged rather than pressed.
the ground surfaces are then polished with a good fine stone ( not cheap nasty carborundum )
the edge can be resharpened with a diamond steel quite a lot before a minor regrind becomes necessary.
sharpening with a good waterstone (arkansas greenstone or wichita whitestone are even better than the japanese stuff ) should be a skill learned by any blade user
mine is right handed ie hold the food in the left hand and slices come off to the right with no vacuum adhesion to the slice or the lump.
as a general cooks blade for anything from dismantling a raw chicken or cubing beef via peeling ginger or coring a pepper to fine slicing a cucumber it is ideal, it will slice,dice,chop herbs, crush garlic, scoop stuff off the board . tis pretty handy for opening packaging and the ridge is ideal for cracking bones for stock.
tis a beasty and if i had to save one blade in an emergency it would be that one as i recon i could build a house and make a fire as well as cook dinner with it.
that sort of handedness style can be ground from any unhanded blade of a decent build quality
my tojiro slicing knife is similarly handed and made of a 128 fold white steel combo with a cloud hamon
being much thinner it misses the hollow ground aspect simply having one side at a slightly steeper angle than the other which is flat, again it still demonstrates handedness that does not work well for using in the "wrong"hand.
of my antiques the boning knife is ambidextrous as is my curved small butchers knife cos i find it best to be ambidextrous when dealing with a carcase
my hook style tojiro prep knife (64 fold white steels ) is right handed and again has the grind it came with ie one side sharpened flat the other at a slight angle
all that said how much do you want to spend?
there are some fairly decent stainless blades which can be sharpened properly or used with an unhanded edge even among the basics of commercial kit but if you really want a good knife it either takes lots of cash or lots of looking .
ps really good blades are not dishwasher safe which is a bit of a faff but hey ho tis worth a quick wash in hot water to have an easy time cutting |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 33981
Location: yes
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ps iirc my little cleaver was about £50 marked down from £200, i guess tis a bit of a niche market and they hadnt found it
however being clever this chap might be quite a bargain as it has been mistitled and 40 squid pnp aint too bad if the beasty is cheap
working out where it was made in the uk might turn out far more costly than the postage but maybe not |
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