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dpack



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 12:08 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

they are ok if you leave em alone, sharing a territory or working in theirs can upset them a bit .

when i built a winter home ( in summer ) the " locals " were a bit tetchy at first, nearly 2 decades on i still have scars from the 5 stings to the leg .
we got on after their initial fury but whatever the literature says they have a poke nastier than bee or wasp .

learning to live with them includes learning when to run at least 25 meters ( away from their nest )

once they get to know you they seem mostly ok unless surprised or confused .

Slim



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Any Asian Longhorn Beetle scares in the British Isles yet?

Definitely worth watching out for! Sightings call for removal of all host trees for something like a mile radius

The hornets I'm most familiar with here are "bald faced" AKA "white face" that make the classic paper nest on a tree limb (or house soffit) with only one entrance at the bottom. They're quite aggressive. Similar to the type of hornet you're talking about?

On one of my preferred walks (lots of tasty wild mushrooms throughout the year) I pass by a white cedar (Thuja occidentalis) tree with feral honeybees living in it's hollow cavity. Always fun to see if they've survived the winter or not, and to ponder if the cedar helps to keep out wax moth.

tahir



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Slim wrote:
Any Asian Longhorn Beetle scares in the British Isles yet?


yes:

https://www.forestry.gov.uk/asianlonghornbeetle

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

With constant vigilance, to date all infestations have been contained, but it is certainly a worry, as are other potential pests and diseases. We are currently suffering from Chelara ash die back in out woods. We are hoping that a good proportion of the trees will survive, as they are self set and variable, but we are pretty sure we will lose some unfortunately.

buzzy



Joined: 04 Jan 2011
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Location: In a small wood on the edge of the Huntingdonshire Wolds
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
they are ok if you leave em alone, sharing a territory or working in theirs can upset them a bit .

when i built a winter home ( in summer ) the " locals " were a bit tetchy at first, nearly 2 decades on i still have scars from the 5 stings to the leg .
we got on after their initial fury but whatever the literature says they have a poke nastier than bee or wasp .

learning to live with them includes learning when to run at least 25 meters ( away from their nest )

once they get to know you they seem mostly ok unless surprised or confused .


However, a few years ago my neighbour put her foot in a shoe that contained a hornet. It stung her twice, but she said it wasn't as bad as a standard wasp sting.

Henry

Slim



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

buzzy wrote:
dpack wrote:
they are ok if you leave em alone, sharing a territory or working in theirs can upset them a bit .

when i built a winter home ( in summer ) the " locals " were a bit tetchy at first, nearly 2 decades on i still have scars from the 5 stings to the leg .
we got on after their initial fury but whatever the literature says they have a poke nastier than bee or wasp .

learning to live with them includes learning when to run at least 25 meters ( away from their nest )

once they get to know you they seem mostly ok unless surprised or confused .


However, a few years ago my neighbour put her foot in a shoe that contained a hornet. It stung her twice, but she said it wasn't as bad as a standard wasp sting.

Henry


That settles it then, your hornets are not so nasty as ours!

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

the ones that had me were far nastier than any wasp or bee i have encountered.

if i was to rate em honey bee gets a 1 , wasps get a 1 to 1.5 and derbyshire hornets get a 2 and a bit.

maybe it is me but the huge red lumps seemed a perfect setting for the dissolving flesh at the injection site. once the initial venom necrosis had made soup of finger tip size holes in about 12 hrs it took a bit of decent nursing care and a few months to heal the lesions and a couple of years for the scars to settle.

for comparison the spider that made me think the back of my hand was going to split only gets a 2 on the pain and damage scale.

gz



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
Slim wrote:
Any Asian Longhorn Beetle scares in the British Isles yet?


yes:

https://www.forestry.gov.uk/asianlonghornbeetle


That is a scarily long list of hosts
report to the Forestry dept if found?

Slim



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 18 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If found, report to as many as will listen!

The state of Vermont sent a pancake breakfast to the city of Worcester Massachusetts in gratitude for their rigorous quarantine after it was found there. It was considered that they had saved the nation's largest producing state of maple syrup

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 18 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That was a nice idea Slim. The Forestry Commission is being as vigilant as cuts in staff will allow, and they certainly have some very good people working in the pests and diseases department. Sadly 'free trade' doesn't match with stopping things getting in, especially as border inspections aren't too good with again, cuts in staff. There have been some controls brought in; I don't think chestnut or ash can be imported now, although they can as firewood and other biomass, and that can be a problem if all the infective agents aren't carefully removed. Unlicenced wood shavings for packaging have been the infecive agent in several cases, which is why all reputable makers obey the strict controls in place on its processing.

gz



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 18 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    



On a dry roadside just outside Forfar...luckily I hadn't driven over it

buzzy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 18 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'd say that was Northern Marsh Orchid (but I was never an expert on orchids). A lovely specimen, well photographed. Thanks for posting it.

Henry

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 18 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That's lovely Gz. I am not sure which orchid it is, but I suppose they will be coming up soon. We get pyramid orchids by the roadside here, and I suppose we will be looking out for common spotted orchids now too.

gz



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 18 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'm sure I saw some sort of Black veined white butterfly today (back in the hills again).
Unfortunately no camera to hand, and being hot weather it was flitting about fast!

I've only seen white butterflies so far...and only one orange tip.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 18 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It could have been a green veined white as the adults are supposed to be around at this time of year. There are a couple of other butterflies it could have been too, including a female orange tip, but that is more splodgy dark colour than veined.

Butterflies do move about fast in warm weather, which makes taking pictures rather tricky. I have a lasting memory of one of our rather mature volunteers trying to get a picture of a silver washed fritillary and trying to keep up with the various butterflies flitting around.

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