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Slim



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 19 11:34 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

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Oh it all sounds a little complicated.


Also, remember that I usually work with people on farm scales.

For gardening it's easier to think of heavy feeders (tomatoes, squash, etc) very heavy feeders (sweet corn) and lighter feeders (greens, legumes, etc).

If you know your soil's organic matter, you can estimate about 10 lb nitrogen per acre for each 1% organic matter.
If the sites had compost applied regularly, phosphorus and potassium won't likely be the limiting factor - that's usually nitrogen.

(but if not, then you'll need the chicken manure, etc, to supply enough P and K)

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 19 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

just to both complicate and simplify matters :

bfb and cm have quite an aggressive breakdown profile if added raw to soil ( on soft green things it looks like agent orange

the type of soil affects that, ie they behave differently on chalk, loam , clay etc etc

orchard and farming uses of such feeds are different to garden/allotment scales ( as mentioned by slim )

different crops can get most benefit by different application regimes
some benefit from being planted over soil that has been fertilised
some would be better started in unfed soil and then have fed wekly with mixture
some do best in a fairly low nutrient soil .

to simplify that you are working with small areas and so can feed appropriately to each and it's crop and input cost to bottom line is not as important an issue

to really simplify it ,
raw bfb/chook as a top dressing watered in around trees and bushes is ok about this time of year.
ditto dug into beds you will plant into as it gets warmer.
put some in a barrel with a bit of soil and some nettles for use later as a liquid feed

a handful a yard is fairly standard with bfb / dried chook

sgt.colon



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 19 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thank you DPack and Slim. I've still got so much to learn.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 19 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

iirc there are some good "organic" fertilizer and soil conditioning books from the soil association.

sgt.colon



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 19 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks Mr The Pack. I'll have a look.

sgt.colon



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 19 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Sorry, another question. Feeding my garlic. Can I just put some chicken manure in to water and feed them that way?

Thanks.

gregotyn



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 19 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

As I remember, chicken manure is high in nitrogen, and also acidic. When we spread it on the farm pastures hen manure was reserved for old permanent grassland only. Rotational 2 year leys, would not have stood the acidity. If you do put it on garlic, check that it is aciduric, or that you put on a well diluted down solution. I am too old to remember the dilution, but someone here will know.

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 19 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i would be wary of using raw on alliums unless you lime as well but that is getting ahead of ourselves .

if you put some to steep now things can have it diluted later to weak tea for light feeding and builders tea for pumpkins etc to feast on .

the only time i feed alliums is at the second half of the green growth and the start of bulb formation, even then i dont give em much unless they are looking deficient.

with wet feed i try to use it after watering and use a watering can to spread it evenly into the soil. then give it a topping of more water to soak it down.

even the dilute stuff needs further dilution in the soil, ie a splosh of concentrate onto dry soil in a puddle will burn the roots under it before it spreads and feeds the plant.

sgt.colon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 19 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks guys.

I'd not even thought of feeding them until a guy down at the allotment said that in a couple of weeks I should start feeding my garlic.

What do you think is the best thing to feed them with?

Thanks.

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 19 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

at this time of year dilute liquid feed around them (not on the green bits so wash em if they get splashed )

as you are hoping for leaf followed by bulb a growth phase high N mid P and K type is best.

it will work on toms etc.

steeped bfb and chicken takes a couple of months to mature so get that going for summer and use a bottle of organic plant food to get a start .

a bonus of that is the good ones have a pretty good selection of trace elements which will replace any deficiency in the soil you have at the mo .

sgt.colon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 19 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks DPack. You're a mine of information. Don't fancy moving to Cheshire do you?

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 19 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

nah but passing on stuff of grannie's and various other plants persons like ken and don from my old allotment site is a pleasure

over nearly 60 yrs i have often had something or a lot of things growing.

i know far too much about mint without knowing much

re feeding plants it is very much a matter of what should i give that plant today.

i dont know if you have found it but somewhere in the archives i got quite technical about making " mixture " which can produce a variety of awesome liquid feeds for most uses.

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 19 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

a search for

mixture
dpack
posts

has a few hints and lots of related stuff

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 19 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

ps

have you got a comfrey patch?

are there any nettles?


sgt.colon



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 19 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'll have a look, thanks DPack.

Yes, plenty on nettles and we have some Comfrey growing in our front garden.

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