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dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

from btl

Tim1960
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This is interesting:
Michael M. @vivamjm

It might be worse than "economists warned about" but not worse than we mere (ex) Freight Fowarding/Customs Agents tried to warn of....

https://eand.co/congrats-america-youre-not-the-dumbest-country-in-the-world-anymore-britain-is-badad4d64754">https://eand.co/congrats-america-youre-not-the-dumbest-country-in-the-world-anymore-britain-is-badad4d6475">https://eand.co/congrats-america-youre-not-the-dumbest-country-in-the-world-anymore-britain-is-badad4d64754

The reality of Brexit is much, much worse than we economists warned about. It goes like this. The British economy is starting to shut down like a heart attack. Europe is simply stopping sending goods to Britain, and Britain to Europe. The costs involved have soared from “nothing” to “impossible.” ... Faced with mountains of paperwork for each shipment, businesses are just giving up, throwing their hands up in despair. And that means a) mass unemployment, as they go bankrupt b) shortages and c) higher prices. Sound dire? It is.

British people are shocked, suddenly — after voting for Brexit — to discover that ordering stuff from Europe, which used to be as simple as a click, now comes with massive taxes, customs, and suspicious “handling charges,” which they have to pay, or else. Charges that easily add 25% to 50% to the cost of basic things. And while we economists warned Brexit would make Brits poorer, even we underestimated the effect. We thought tariffs would rise, but we didn’t think that trade would come to a sudden stop, which means mass unemployment and shortages and higher prices are all exploding. That’s the worst case scenario, and it’s fast becoming real.

There's more. Much more. Pointing out, with some digs at the sort of entitled twats who pushed this lunacy, the catastrophic effect of a nation imposing sanctions on itself in a fit of nationalistic delusion.

Only now it isn't Project Fear, it's Project Here and Now.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

ps sending gifts or goods to the eu now has restrictions, taxes, tariffs and extra handling charges as well

there was a notice on the postal self-service machine in the post office mentioning it and to ask at the counter if that was the destination

as an aside the city centre was not a ghost town, mcdonalds had quite a few unmasked teens milling about etc, more than half the shops are shut an extra 15% are empty, no tourists who usually are most of the footfall, getting a key cut or shoe mended might be tricky, few workers etc to buy the assorted fast food snacks even if they are open many have shut

dismal

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

pps stock up on things already in the uk now seems even more sensible as this deliberate disaster/stupidity voter's consequences develops.

37% voters and 43% of the votes are not mandates

Slim



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It's all gone according to plan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

It just wasn't our plans.
It's crazy how in the open their planning has been, and how little that has mattered

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

umm fascinating, fairly obvious in effect in some places such as here where a combo of useful idiots and easily bought politicals(also useful idiots for the most part cos they have been very cheap to buy) seem to have enacted the uk part of things.

re planning openly, another branch of the same firm(big fossil and milkit+some locals) planned redrawing the map of the middle east in shade but not darkness has had considerable success.

i dought the average "red wall new tory" or brexit voter even has the reading skills* let alone the analytical ones to see how they have been duped at a domestic level, let alone at a geopolitical one(that summat about places and rocks ? might be beyond many of them)
give them three word slogans and a flag/face colour/comforting lie or fear to follow, and they are easy meat

odd this is in shopping, but it is as relevant here as everywhere

*sun readers have an average RA expected of a 9 year old, even grauniad readers only get up to 14 year old standards, how those who get their info from facesell groups and assorted "blacksites" fit on that metric i do not know
( i cannot be bothered with uppercase on DS but i do know how to use it and punctuation etc and spellcheck is very ace, but i can write a dissertation or post for strangers in a formal way, read technical stuff and analyse smoke and mirrors to establish the most likely truths )

the average brexit voter considers anyone with a book without 20 pictures and 40 words in the house metropolitan elite

sorry to rant but living in an idiocracy is a bit annoying.

Slim



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Are tariffs reducing Brawndo consumption?
*It has electrolytes!

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

no idea, such things were popular but that is a brand/generic/satire name we do not have afaik

monster and redbull are two with names that were popular here sugar, caffeine,taurine,
i prefer meth although i decided i was too old for artificial bouncy and daft a long while back

a nice coffee is about as class A upper as i get

Slim



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 21 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Have you not actually seen idiocracy?!

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 21 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

no, i will seek it out

i do live in one, putting this crew into power only took around 40% of the votes, i assume most of those were under average intelligence rather than in line for some very nice kleptocratic contracts
admittedly corbyn was unelectable for a variety of reasons but that reflects badly on the intelligence/judgement of those in the plp at the time who believed they could gain power with a lexit platform

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 21 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

one for my "to do"reading list

Slim



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 21 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack wrote:
no, i will seek it out


It's not exactly high art... But beyond being funny if you don't mind some stupid humor, it does ring true for the previous four years here in America, and was clearly meant to be social commentary (by the creator of beavis and butthead and king of the hill).

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 21 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

b and b were funny, more a south park sort of chap but b+b were good observation of that demographic

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 21 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

ps i found a translation of the russian thing, i will study that, it reminds me of the defence of the kingdom stuff

i have several million words i intend to or should read, but it comes in far faster than one distracted old chap can manage

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 21 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

trading one

trading two

that is just local over a few waves, how the now voided long distance trading stuff will impact on us i have no idea as many of the trade deals we had for that were as part of the EU and are now void

covid has hidden quite a bit of this as trade has been hit by that globally although as mentioned new tariffs apply to parts in things so things direct will have similar issues

exporting antiques is almost certain to have extra layers of complexity and costs to many places that were fairly simple in or outside the EU

i really do not care if a brexit voter gets harmed by it but to harm those who saw these issues and voted accordingly is unforgivable

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 21 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

ps some uk based companies are relocating operations, but probably not most of the staff and in import news nikon has been telling folk they might get what they need sometime in about 18 months

i recon i was wise to get my canon (and other) bits while i could

just for fun i wonder how the racist/xenophobic brexit fans will feel when up to 5 million hongkongers with british overseas passports arrive over the next couple of years, badly i expect, although many of the britHK folk might decide other places are a better idea
just dont tell em about the terms of any trade deal that might be made with india

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