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dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 23 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

see my cop 28 comments

jema
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 23 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Energy security my arse, Scotland's only oil refinery is closing:

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scotlands-only-oil-refinery-to-shut-with-hundreds-of-jobs-at-risk-at-grangemouth

So whatever new oil is extracted from the North Sea it'll be exported elsewhere and brought back as refined petrochemicals


We lack the journalism to expose things properly, the BBC is full of Tories.
It makes me think of Israel, the BBC concentrates almost exclusively on Israeli hostages, Aljazeera is much more balances and talks about Palestinian kids held without charge and badly mistreated.
Read the BBC and you get the hostages were badly fed, read actual accounts and it's we ate what they ate!

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 23 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

"We lack the journalism to expose things properly, the BBC is full of Tories."

and worse, as well as some decent folk and those who do what they are told to do cos they like a job

much of the ex print/online "news" is propaganda chosen to protect the 1 % by manipulating the hard of thinking with a mix of fears and hatreds

online stuff is full on wild west, mr snowden pointed out assorted ways that can be used

add psyops, vaccines are full of nanobots to make you obey 5G orders and be a high-tech slave, classic

ttdntas

psyops is very cheap and asymmetrically effective compared to many expressions of force

up close and personal, it works
well thought, "cheap" resources, lower risk than direct interdictions (with the obvious caveats) and can be amazingly effective

£40 to about £15 million was a decent return on investment
£3 to gone away and in hiding, ditto
the rest of that £3 to a different gone away and in hiding, ditto+bonus

truth is an ace psyops tool
confusing and/or disturbing mindfucks are good
lies are not as useful as many may think, selective truth(or better still full truth) with considered collation and presentation works better

mostly it is what might influence them in ways you feel useful in whatever circumstances or context based on how humans think and feel in their circumstances

if you learn the enemy and chose the weapon, that war is easy

oh well it just slipped out, but a good lesson in psyops and countering it from media or dealing with more direct problems

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 23 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Prices on EVs are crashing now, a pretty much brand new car for less than £20k:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311244257430?sort=price-asc&aggregatedTrim=Ultimate&make=Vauxhall&model=Corsa-e&postcode=Cw98bb&advertising-location=at_cars&fromsra&polaAffiliate=isis&utm_source=RoEye&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=HELP&utm_content=Skimbit%20Ltd.&utm_term=Performance

jema
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 23 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Prices on EVs are crashing now, a pretty much brand new car for less than £20k:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311244257430?sort=price-asc&aggregatedTrim=Ultimate&make=Vauxhall&model=Corsa-e&postcode=Cw98bb&advertising-location=at_cars&fromsra&polaAffiliate=isis&utm_source=RoEye&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=HELP&utm_content=Skimbit%20Ltd.&utm_term=Performance


Wow, I'm almost tempted.
The latest data I have read has used EVs dropping at 2% a month, ICE is dropping faster.
The availability of used EVs is also rising. I run a number of saved searches on autotrader, every day almost the numbers available in each search increases.
We may also be at a tipping point on perception.
Everything has a life time and EVs have now been around just long enough that the statistics are showing that contrary to the propaganda they last longer on average and drive more miles than ICE cars.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 23 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

The BBC has had a political head to it for some years and they are terrified of having their licence money removed, therefore taking a rather pro-government line is not unexpected.

As you say, the price of electric cars is coming down, but still quite high. Might be worth while if you can charge at home but there are still some problems with charging elsewhere, such as on street parking. While we were away we found that service stations on motorways now have lots of charging points for longer distance motoring though.

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 23 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

the ice corsa handled ok for what it was,it coped with urban, lanes, DCs or motorway in a legal way

it had far more acceleration if you ignored that it had a sychromesh and double declutched it enthusiastically

the shape looks similar, it should be fine as a domestic vehicle
the charging thing does need a home point to be easy, but as MR said for distance travel decent charging is becoming available at motorway services etc and if you only do a couple of hundred miles a week finding a convenient public charging point seems plausible

when "Mrs Ice" did her show off this machine "road trip" she walked miles to buy petroleum ether from village chemist shops ice caught on though, cos it worked

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 23 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

On street charging still seems to be an issue though. There was a report in our local paper that a whole load had been turned off by the provider for 'safety reasons'. No idea why.

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 23 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

canine interference?
i saw one meet a lamppost and the lamppost won, corrosion may be an issue, power up the grow room could be a minor problem

anti ulez types could have been nudged to damage the equipment

the design might have some serious failings, in tech or in how it works in the streetscape

jema
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 23 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Mistress Rose wrote:
On street charging still seems to be an issue though. There was a report in our local paper that a whole load had been turned off by the provider for 'safety reasons'. No idea why.


that one is being leapt on by the "it's all impossible brigade"

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 23 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

myth busting

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 23 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

What a total load of bollocks:

Rishi Sunak: 'climate politics is close to breaking point'

Sunak has declared to Cop that he has watered down UK climate policies, potentially embarrassing the country on the world stage.

As other world leaders ask for more action to be taken on the climate emergency, the prime minister continued his environment rhetoric – which has been condemned as damaging by environment charities.

“Climate politics is close to breaking point”, he said, adding that “the costs of inaction are intolerable but we have choices in how we act”.

Sunak said that net zero would only be delivered in a way that “benefits the British people”, adding that “we have scrapped plans on heat pumps and energy efficiency that would have cost people thousands of pounds”.

He also highlighted his new nature plan – which has been panned by critics.

Despite this, he did tell other countries that “the mounting science and evidence of climate related disasters prove we are not moving fast enough”, and added that “everyone can do more”.

He called on major emitters to cut faster and said “the UK is leading the charge”.


For the British PM to be saying this is shocking. Do we want future generations to have a decent future or not?

All that comes out of this government is rhetoric, no useful action, lots of harmful stuff mind you.

They're also a complete bunch of loons, where would we get the additional costs for Priti Patel's idea:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/30/labour-vows-to-rewire-britain-as-pylon-plans-spark-row-in-tory-party

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 23 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

From the BBC:

"Speaking at the COP28 summit, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We have got an incredible track record of decarbonising in the UK, faster than any other major economy.”

In 2022, UK greenhouse gas emissions are 48.7% lower than in 1990

– the benchmark year typically used internationally.

This only refers to emissions within the UK. It doesn’t include emissions from the manufacture of products imported into the UK, for example.

Based on these figures, it is true that the UK has reduced its emissions faster than all other major economies since 1990.

Germany, which saw the second-largest reduction, has cut its emissions by about 40% since 1990, while France and Italy have cut theirs by around a quarter. Emissions by the US and Japan have only fallen slightly, while China’s and India’s have both increased hugely.


That's nothing to be proud of Germany is still an Industrial economy but reduced emissions by 40% compared to our VERY post industrial 48%.

I wonder how we'd compare if we factored in all the remote emissions

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 23 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Jema, getting cars charged in the street is crucial in some towns and cities. In our nearest city there are streets and streets of terraced houses, so the only place to charge is on street. This has to be addressed properly before electric vehicles can become widespread in places like that.

Exploitation and the pollution caused by mining are a feature of the rules in place in the country, not the mining. We passed one of the lithium mines in Cornwall last week, all be it I am not sure how much they are extracting at the moment, and it looked like any other clean industrial plant. I think they are either drilling and using water extraction or using extraction from spoil heaps. I did read about it, but have forgotten.

We have lived with pylons for most of my life as we have a couple of pylon lines and a large interconnect station nearby. In some lights they are even quite attractive. The pylon in the woods has a footprint of about 1m square concrete in each corner, and the vegetation has to be kept down to coppice height under the line, but that is not a problem. Rooks and sometimes a peregrine falcon nest in the one nearer our house. There is a lone raven among the rooks as the call is a lot lower pitched and it is a bigger.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 23 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

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For the British PM to be saying this is shocking. Do we want future generations to have a decent future or not?


he and his pals think they can buy a future for their lifespan and some may care about their descendants, the rest of known life in the universe is irrelevant to them unless they eat it or use it as bling or bet on it

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