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Bodger



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:12 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Pest control isn't hunting. Its a job that needs to be well done.
You may use some of the same techniques to achieve your goals but there is a totally different ethos attached to it.
When I had my pest control business I never totally put my moral standards to one side but at the end of the day it was results that counted and also at the end of each and every day I had to feed and support my family with the proceeds.

There are things that I did as a pest controller that I wouldn't consider doing today as a hunter.

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sally_in_wales
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I would say that hunting needs to be ultra selective, choosing your animal with the aim of sustaining a viable population (for example not taking out the best buck or the pregnant females) as well as being a valid balance of 'meals gained per life taken' (eg many small birds can be eaten, few of us would consider it because it makes no sense to kill something for one mouthful of food, so most hunters I believe will choose a good sized animal which will feed them longer)
Pest control is often about eradicating the breeding population of the pest species, so a totally different approach.

Pilsbury



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I agree , pest control is a job, hunting is more of a hobby / sport if i can call it that.
as you say Bodger, with pest control it is about removing as many of the animals that are causing the damage/ problems where as hunting is about skill and technique.

Snap Cap



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Pilsbury wrote:
I agree , pest control is a job, hunting is more of a hobby / sport if i can call it that.
as you say Bodger, with pest control it is about removing as many of the animals that are causing the damage/ problems where as hunting is about skill and technique.


You still need to be competent in a certain leval of fieldcraft to be able to carry out pest control on rabbits etc. obviously this does not include wasps, mice insect invasion etc.

Interesting stuff.

cab



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If your quarry is a pest then the line between hunting and pest control is a blurry one. Dunno whether the lines between the two need to be so very well defined, do they?

tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

cab wrote:
If your quarry is a pest then the line between hunting and pest control is a blurry one. Dunno whether the lines between the two need to be so very well defined, do they?


I'd agree

Snap Cap



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ok but pest control would include the taking of milky doe, kitts, young, and old. Basically its indiscriminate, where as hunting you dont want to wipe out your food supply in one hit so as sally says you need to be selective, I tend to go after 3-4 month old pot sized bunnies. So the lines are pretty well defined.

You could ask, should a hunter who has respect for his quarry also carry out pest control when the job basically goes against the principles of hunting?

think I worded that ok!

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tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

In which case yes it is more clinical, but then that's the nature of the job, isn't it?

cab



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Snap Cap wrote:
Ok but pest control would include the taking of milky doe, kitts, young, and old. Basically its indiscriminate, where as hunting you dont want to wipe out your food supply in one hit so as sally says you need to be selective, I tend to go after 3-4 month old pot sized bunnies. So the lines are pretty well defined.


I guess so, but such a large proportion of rabbits that are taken and eaten are killed 'cos they're pests. That does soften the edges between the two. Obviously, where an animal is not considered a pest, where ia prime consideration is not keeping numbers down, things are different.

Bodger



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I can see where the two of you are coming from but there is a difference.
As a pest controller if the person who was paying me had a problem with rabbits or pigeons, he employed me in the hope that I'd virtually kill the lot.Therefore the techniques that I used were designed to do just that.
Now as a hunter , I'm hunting for the pot and enjoyment so I can be far more choosey about which individual I kill and how I kill them.
I have rabbits on my propoerty and I wouldn't dream of killing baby rabbits for instance but when I was doing it professionaly my choice was do it, or become unemployed.
Theres quite a big difference.
If you find 20 catterpillars on a cabbage leaf you get rid of the lot. Thats pest control. If you are quite partial to caterpillar soup you take ten off and leave the ten to breed. Thats hunting

Taking this a step further, you eat the sickly weak specimens and leave the big ones so that the standard of the general population is maintained and possibly improved. I could kill a caterpillar on toast !

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Snap Cap



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

bodger wrote:
IIf you find 20 catterpillars on a cabbage leaf you get rid of the lot. Thats pest control. If you are quite partial to caterpillar soup you take ten off and leave the ten to breed. Thats hunting


No thats called gardening

marigold



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

bodger wrote:
I could kill a caterpillar on toast !


I'd definitely kill any caterpillar found on my toast!!

Bodger



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Halitosis ?

gil
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'd agree that there are differences between pest control and hunting, in purpose, outcome and methods. Also depends on the scale of the problem, and the physical area involved.

As a fruit and veg grower, I originally took up shooting for pest control one year there were loadsarabbits, and they were getting cheeky and entering the growing area (which in years of normal or sparse rabbit population, they don't, seeing as it's rabbit-netted all round which seems to deter them). However, I also intended them for the pot.

Far greater loss of fruit crops is caused by birds, but these are small ones, and I have no wish to kill or eat them, therefore either I net / cage my fruit to protect it, or accept some losses. If it were woodies involved, I would shoot them (to eat). Caterpillars on veg get squished.

However, I also hunt both rabbits and pheasants for the pot. Neither of these are about to damage my crops, so I would only take non-breeding ones, or out of breeding season.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 06 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

pest control is just that (kill em all ).
hunting is about sustainable . (dinner next week )
different activities ,both are ruthless in different ways ,both are fine by me if done as ethically as possible
personally i quite like rats ,ratty d fois gras lived in my shirt for a year , i find poisoning them on the lottie upsetting but i will even poison a corpse to get them all thats pest control ; shaking a wee trout off the worm before it gets hooked is hunting .
different aspects of life

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