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marigold



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

James wrote:
I think an urban household trying to minimise their environmental footprint would be useful to see. The UK has a very large urban population, most of whom are divorced from their environment. The result is that our cities have a huge environmental footprint. To really make an environmental difference, it’s this population that needs to change.

“Its Not Easy Being Green” showed what could be done with plenty of space, many helping hands, a large amount of dosh, and quite a bit of time. Most people don’t have that.

They may have showed that being green isn’t easy given all the above, but in my opinion given very little spare cash, no time, no space and no help its REALLY HARD being green. A large (and increasing) proportion of the UK population are in this state. We can’t all have our 4 acres with a wind turbine and water wheel. To make a real difference to our environment, the people living in the inner cities need to be brought into the discussion.


I agree very much with this - most people live in urban areas and will continue to do so. I'd be interested to see a programme encouraging suburban home owners to use their gardens as allotments - maybe with rabbits/hens for meat. Perhaps using wartime "Dig for Victory" suggestions as a model? In villages Local Authority houses built after the war often had large plots which were supposed to be used for growing veg - how about finding a row of houses of that kind and organising a collective "going green" project?

Chickpea makes a good point that little attention is given to helping people on low incomes make green/ethical decisions about their lifestyles.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I wonder if James has checked back on this thread? Maybe anyone with ideas (I think the urban thing is hugely important) should email them?

sean
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

He hasn't logged in since, so probably not....

Northern_Lad



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

How's about taking a different style of house each week? You could work 'up' (flat, terrace, mews, semi, detatched, 'other') or randomly schedule them. You can then show the difficulties and options specific to each type.

Andy B



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

James wrote:
I think an urban household trying to minimise their environmental footprint would be useful to see. The UK has a very large urban population, most of whom are divorced from their environment. The result is that our cities have a huge environmental footprint. To really make an environmental difference, it’s this population that needs to change.

“Its Not Easy Being Green” showed what could be done with plenty of space, many helping hands, a large amount of dosh, and quite a bit of time. Most people don’t have that.

They may have showed that being green isn’t easy given all the above, but in my opinion given very little spare cash, no time, no space and no help its REALLY HARD being green. A large (and increasing) proportion of the UK population are in this state. We can’t all have our 4 acres with a wind turbine and water wheel. To make a real difference to our environment, the people living in the inner cities need to be brought into the discussion.


Well i think its a fantastic idea, but i am not prepared to put my mug on telly.

marigold



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
I wonder if James has checked back on this thread? Maybe anyone with ideas (I think the urban thing is hugely important) should email them?


I've sent him an email suggesting he reads the thread

jamesk



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 4:10 pm    Post subject: Wow what a response... Reply with quote
    

Hi there

You're right, i had in fact been slack at checking back here. But i'm delighted at the response. i'll try to reply...

LOW INCOMES: i completely, completely agree that eco-efficiency and general 'green'ness is often very middle class, and is perceived as requiring a lot of money. i'm very keen to redress this, and would love to speak to people who don't have loads of cash but are making big drives to go green. also people who buy organic produce because it's healthy and ethical, and not because it's perceived as a luxury (as it often is). many of the people i've already spoken to are working on a tight budget and are keen to show that 'green' is possible for people on a budget. so that bodes well for any documentary we make.

in conclusion, i would (emphatically!) really like to speak to people who are making big changes on a budget, and who are not necessarily from a middle class background.

URBAN FAMILIES: also, i agree. urban families 'going green' have been under-represented so far. i would love to speak to people who (perhaps against the odds - fellow city dwellers?) are going eco.

if the series takes the form of a number of stand-alone documentaries, as we are considering at the moment, it really would be great to get a cross-section - urban terrace, suburban, rural, budget, self build, self build in the city (does this happen?!), and the list goes on.

HANNAH: good question. do people get paid? the short answer (honestly) is possibly. the long one goes like this. it's not completely normal to pay people to take part in documentaries, firstly because they should really want to take part for their own reasons, and secondly because it changes their relationship to the programme - paid contributions may be less reliable, feel the have to act up etc. that said there are sometimes 'reimburesements for time' or 'contributions' to projects, and certainly reimbursement for any expense on our account.

it's also worth noting that if you are involved in filming a TV programme it's sometimes possible to get things done at a reduced cost, as companies want to be featured. i must add that legally we can never promise companies a mention / feature, but sometimes people will be keener to help. If you see what i mean.

I know that's about as clear as mud but hope it helps!

DPACK: thanks for asking people. so some positive responses? do ask them to get in touch with me via telephone on 0207 490 8602 or email on james@keofilms.com. all i'm looking for at this stage is a (confidential) phone conversation.

Generally, if i've reassured you that we're barking up the right tree with this series, i really need you to help spread the word and suggest us to people. Really it's the people we find, their commitment, plans, successes etc that will make this series happen, so it's so important that we speak get in touch with as many people as we can. in fact it's those people that will give us more ideas for what to film.

And that starts with you! So please email this around, and if you want some more information (word document format) to forward or look at, just send me an email on james@keofilms.com .

Thanks, apologies for the long long post (AGAIN!), and hope it was useful.

James

Tel. 0207 490 8602
Fax. 0207 490 8419
Email. james@keofilms.com

marigold



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Jamesk, have you posted on selfsufficientish.com? They actually have a TV-related-things thread on their forum

jamesk



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thanks - i haven't done that, and will do so ASAP. Any other suggestions on where else to post are much appreciated!

J

Tel. 0207 490 8602
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Email. james@keofilms.com

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://forum.rivercottage.net

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

i will get back to you ,im waiting (just prodded )to hear back from some folk

Chick-pea



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 06 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

There's a chap called Richard Cannon has a website. I'm not sure exactly where he lives (somewhere in Kent) but he certainly doesn't have 5 acres in the countryside, just a big garden and a low budget. He's very downsizer-ish and self-sufficient-y.

I've no idea at all if he'd be interested in appearing on your show, but you can always ask. There is also a forum on his website. It's quite quiet compared to downsizer or selfsufficietish, but it does have its own cast of regulars. Maybe somebody there would be interested.

I'm a little bit worried that it sometimes seems the "green" people you see on TV are fruitloops and self-publicists, and it gives a bad impression of the rest of us who are mostly quiet just-getting-on-with-it types who don't want to be on TV. I liked INEBG because they seemed pretty normal in an interestingly weird sort of way. I hope, James, that you won't just be featuring the loony fringe or sending people up.

jamesk



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 06 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hi Chick-pea

Completely legitimate concern - i'm aware that TV programmes sometimes do that. As you point out 'real' downsizers are often quieter - and much more hesitant to being on TV. Perhaps that part of the reason the selection in the media is sometimes unrepresentative. But probably only part of it!

Anyway, we have no interest in selecting 'loonies' or in sending people up. We are genuinely interested in presenting viewers with interesting (as you point out all interesting people are perhaps slightly crazy) and engaging people who show that it's possible to change your life in the green direction.

Hope that reassures you.

James

Tel. 0207 490 8602
Fax. 0207 490 8419
Email. james@keofilms.com

marigold



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 06 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

This is an interesting project and they may know of others.

https://www.theyellowhouse.org.uk/

jamesk



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 06 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Yes that's great - thank you.

James

Tel. 0207 490 8602
Fax. 0207 490 8419
Email. james@keofilms.com

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