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tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45431
Location: Essex

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 6:25 pm Post subject: Grape vines

Just ordered 30 vines (all dessert) from Sunnybank nurseries https://vinenursery.netfirms.com

He's a lovely guy, an enthusiast not a commercial nursery which must be why he's so cheap, very good for advice on the phone but he never replied to my emails.

1 x Aurore
1 x Himrod seedless
1 x Perdin
1 x Phoenix
2 x Zalagyongye
1 x Birstaller Muscat
1 x Bianca
1 x Interlaken seedless
2 x Lakemont Seedless
1 x Reliance seedless
1 x Seneca
1 x Stauffer
1 x Thornton seedless
1 x Boskoops Glory
1 x Gagarin Blue
1 x Kempsey Black
1 x Rembrandt
1 x Schuyler
1 x Einsett seedless
1 x Candadice
1 x Mars Seedless
2 x Muscat Bleu
1 x New York Muscat
1 x Regent
1 x Saturn
1 x Suffolk
1 x Vanessa

Blue Sky

Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 7658
Location: France

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 7:35 pm Post subject:
Bloody hell! That's alot of vines T. Hope you have the supports in place for them all. I thought I was doing well in taking three cuttings from our existing grapevines to expand next years crop. Best of luck to you. Keep us updated. S

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 7:35 pm Post subject:
Got to do the supports in the next couple of weeks, got the grapes plus 10 odd kiwis too.

Blue Sky

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Location: France

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 7:38 pm Post subject:
Very good. I have some Kiwis in the dining room right now. I grew them from seed and managed to overwinter the plants in the house last year so I am hoping they will survive another cold harsh winter in France now that I have brought them indoors again. Are you planning on covering yours with fleece or do you have somewhere warm to keep them throughout the colder months?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45431
Location: Essex

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 7:42 pm Post subject:
I've gone for Siberian kiwis, they're smaller fruited and hardier: https://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?ProductID=FH425 There's a downloadable book on Kiwis here: https://berrygrape.oregonstate.edu/fruitgrowing/berrycrops/kiwifruit.htm (That's not the PDF, can't find that right now)

Blue Sky

Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 7658
Location: France

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 7:45 pm Post subject:
So are you growing these in the Keider house? I hope to acquire a pollytunnel before next season but no luck so far. We have peaches growing out front with no protection at all but the winters are far too cold here for most warm climate trees to survive sadly.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45431
Location: Essex

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 8:43 pm Post subject:

Simon wrote:

So are you growing these in the Keider house?

Nope, outdoors.

You sure about the trees? The main Iranian fruit growing areas pronbably have a similar climate to you; hot ummers, freezing wiinters. For most things the only real issue is when they get a late frost

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 10:11 pm Post subject:
Tahir, I thought you didn't do wine - so what on earth are you going to do with them all?

sean
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 06 11:11 pm Post subject:
They're nearly all weirdy hybrids, so he couldn't make decent wine from them anyway. I assume he's going to eat them. Or make raisins. Or sell 'Grape and Walnut' packs for people to have with their Stilton.

Blue Sky

Joined: 30 Jan 2005
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Location: France

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 6:57 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Simon wrote:

So are you growing these in the Keider house?

Maybe they would survive. I had assumed (probably wrongly) that a minus 20 frost would kill off my orange trees if I leave them out all winter long. I had planned to grow them in huge terracotta pots and (eventually) convert the workshop into a conservatory to house them all year round. I heard stories of people losing citrus trees in a cold winter in England. Vines being more hardy of course.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45431
Location: Essex

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 9:01 am Post subject:

sean wrote:

They're nearly all weirdy hybrids, so he couldn't make decent wine from them anyway. I assume he's going to eat them. Or make raisins. Or sell 'Grape and Walnut' packs for people to have with their Stilton.

Absolutment

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45431
Location: Essex

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 9:02 am Post subject:

Simon wrote:

I had assumed (probably wrongly) that a minus 20 frost would kill off my orange trees

Definitely, but a lot of things like peachers, apricots etc don't mind the winter cold at all, they just can't stand a late frost

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45431
Location: Essex

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 12:58 pm Post subject:
This is the download: https://extension.oregonstate.edu/catalog/pdf/pnw/pnw507.pdf

Marches

Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Posts: 171
Location: Nr Peak District, England

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 13 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Grape vines

tahir wrote:

How did they do Tahir? Did Kempsey Black perform well? I've just ordered Kempsey plus another table grape, Korrinka Russkaja from the new owners a few days ago.
Kempsey Black is apparently similar to Boskoop so I'am told and sounds quite good, whilst Korinka Russkaja is a hardy and seedless (but small grapes sadly).

As Sean said, they seem to be a lot of hybrids. Some hybrids such as Rondo and Seyval Blanc make a decent wine though.
Some hybrids do well in this country, ones with amurensis or riparia genes from what I can tell, labrusca hybrids seem to do better than pure vinifera as well.
I think pure vinifera is suited to the south but I think anywhere north of the wash is better with hybrids IMO.

Some good information on some hybrids can be found on this site below. The American and French hybrids are well known, but a lot were developed in the Soviet Union and are quite unknown here (fairly common in Scandinavia and the Baltic though):

https://home.online.no/~l-bentel/Sorter-eng.html

Personally I don't see myself making wine. I think half of people with a few grape vines will just be buying them for eating grapes but get sold wine or dual purpose vines by the garden centres.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45431
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 13 10:02 am Post subject:
Most of the labels had fallen off by the time they got to us, so we haven't a clue what's what, and because we're normally too busy with the orchard the grapes suffer deep neglect. Never really had much off any of them.

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