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Sarah D



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 04 2:22 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Scribbling away furiously here. I probably have some heads in the shed....................

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 04 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Lowlander. Let us know how it worked out

biscuitchris



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 04 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Anonymous wrote:
Lowlander. Let us know how it worked out
Sorry forgot again

Bugs



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 07 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: opium poppies (but for bread, not opium) Reply with quote    

Bugs wrote:
Does anyone here use their own-grown poppy seed in bread etc?


Me. This year. With a bit of luck...very sadly Future Foods is no longer around, but have bought some Hungarian Blue Breadseed Poppy through Chiltern Seeds - I am quite certain many others are quite edible, but didn't want to risk it partly for some of the reasons outlined above and partly for being a complete coward.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 07 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Well I think the least you could do is experiment ... all in the name of science you understand

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 07 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

very easy , outside , seed or otherwise
been done several thousand years in britain
nowt special as plants go ,quite tough really .
ace for getting bees onto the veg garden

madmonk



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 07 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Seed used in breadmaking is also known as maw seed.

James



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 07 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: opium poppies (but for bread, not opium) Reply with quote    

Bugs wrote:
Does anyone here use their own-grown poppy seed in bread etc?



If whant HUGE quantities of seed, the variety to go for is P. somniforum "giganticum".
But I just grow what looks nice in the garden (= peony type double). They self seed like mad, and cross polinate voraciously. If you get a hybrid, it will slowly revert to whatever is most common in your area. To counter this, every few generations I just throw another sachet of purchased seeds around. Once they've set up home in your garden, weed flower beds in early spring, then leave it alone until the young poppies can be identified.

The white seeded varieties will not self seed so easily- they often do not open up the little holes underneath the crown that allow the seeds out. This is another reason why you should try to grow the blue seeded varieities.

(there's an interesting aside here: if white seeded varieities donít allow easy dispersal of seeds, how do they survive naturally? The answer is they probably donít- all white seeded opium poppies have been traced back to areas where they've been cultivated over very long periods of time, such as central Asia and China. When people talk of "Persian White" and "China White", they are referring to the seed colour (not the opium colour). White seed varieties also tend to be higher in alkaloids, again suggesting some anthropogenic influence.)

Bugs



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 07 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: opium poppies (but for bread, not opium) Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
ace for getting bees onto the veg garden

That's good - we've got big oriental poppies (I think) and little corn ones in the garden and the bees seem to think they're some kind of free bar to judge by the the noises that come from them, I spend much longer watching them than is strictly appropriate for being thought sane by the neighbours...

James wrote:
...I just grow what looks nice in the garden (= peony type double). They self seed like mad, and cross polinate voraciously. If you get a hybrid, it will slowly revert to whatever is most common in your area. To counter this, every few generations I just throw another sachet of purchased seeds around.

So is that still somniferum as well? I have assumed it's best not to eat other varieties. I've just this morning got Growing Unusual Vegetables and it says there's no specific variety of p. somniferum for breadseed, but it does say somniferum. Which makes me worried (I worry easily).


The white seeded varieties will not self seed so easily- they often do not open up the little holes underneath the crown that allow the seeds out. This is another reason why you should try to grow the blue seeded varieities.

That's interesting about the white seeded poppies - I can assure everyone mine are definitely blue

James



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 07 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: opium poppies (but for bread, not opium) Reply with quote    

Bugs wrote:


James wrote:
...I just grow what looks nice in the garden (= peony type double). They self seed like mad, and cross polinate voraciously. If you get a hybrid, it will slowly revert to whatever is most common in your area. To counter this, every few generations I just throw another sachet of purchased seeds around.


So is that still somniferum as well? I have assumed it's best not to eat other varieties. I've just this morning got Growing Unusual Vegetables and it says there's no specific variety of p. somniferum for breadseed, but it does say somniferum. Which makes me worried (I worry easily).


Yes, still Papava somiferum. Most of the ornamental poppies that are available for their nice flowers (for example "Danish flag") are P. somniferum, the same as breadseed poppy. Even if it doesnt say on the packet (which it should), you can tell by the picture on the pack- if it has leathery bluey green leaves, its somiferum, if it has dark green hairy leaves & stems, its not.
Pinch out first flower to encourage a more bushy multiple flowering plant (= they produce more seeds)

Leonie



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 07 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I grow opium poppies, they are beautiful and grow like weeds at the lottie. I've not tried eating the seeds but will save some this year for using on bread.

Bugs



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 07 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: opium poppies (but for bread, not opium) Reply with quote    

James wrote:
you can tell by the picture on the pack- if it has leathery bluey green leaves, its somiferum, if it has dark green hairy leaves & stems, its not.
Pinch out first flower to encourage a more bushy multiple flowering plant (= they produce more seeds)


Thanks James, that's really useful - I think I'm a bit behind with sowing but going to get some in this week.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 07 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

im glad for the reminder i have about a pound of last years seed to plant so i can brighten the world with bee food in negleted flowerbeds etc the lottie will have enough (too many) self sown
bumbles really like poppy nectar and pollen ,poppies like bees

Nick



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 07 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
im glad for the reminder i have about a pound of last years seed to plant so i can brighten the world with bee food in negleted flowerbeds etc the lottie will have enough (too many) self sown
bumbles really like poppy nectar and pollen ,poppies like bees


Are these all red?

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 07 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

white petals with purple trimmings
the bees are bee coloured

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