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tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 07 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It's not my place to comment except to say I'll be so bloody angry if I get to heaven and god's sitting up there with a full English on his blinking plate (whatever his choice in condiments).

Nick



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 07 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Oh, mustard is entirely acceptable. I might even point out that it doesn't matter if it's English or French.

Yeah, right.

Anna-marie



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 07 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Anna-marie wrote:
do you plan to "harvest" them without having them castrated?


Yup. I've been waiting all this time for you to convert me to goats, do you want to start a goats v sheep thread or shall I?


Tahir,
Haven't we already done this?
Anna-marie

tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 07 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Anna-marie wrote:
Haven't we already done this?
Anna-marie


I didn't think you were as vocal in support of goats as ytou might have been.

It'd be nice to have a point by point run down of pros and cons for each (maybe pigs and cattle too), might make the basis for a good article.

Anna-marie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 07 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Anna-marie wrote:
Haven't we already done this?
Anna-marie


I didn't think you were as vocal in support of goats as ytou might have been.


Yes, but Tahir, my approach has been somewhat more devious
Now that you have sheep, it should be pretty obvious that goats come out on top.
I thought I'd let you learn the hard way
Anna-marie
By the way, I will get around to writing the article one day, I hope, but not yet. I'm off to Tunisia for a fortnight next Sunday, and have loads to do before then, sorry

tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 07 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Aha. Is it worth me tracking down a local dairy goat herd to see if they have kids to get rid of for next year?

Have fun in Tunisia

Anna-marie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 07 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Aha. Is it worth me tracking down a local dairy goat herd to see if they have kids to get rid of for next year?

Have fun in Tunisia


Tahir,
If you want goats, you will probably be able to get some kids for next year.
But, you will need to provide shelter for them. They don't particularly like the rain, and like to have a "home".
They will "browse" rather than grazing, and will help to keep your hedges down. Mine also like the seed heads from docks, so help to prevent next year's growth. They are also partial to nettle leaves, but these have to be wilted before they will eat them, so you will have to cut them for them.
And as for brambles - mine eat all of the leaves, leaving it easier for me to get to the berries
However, you do need to be aware of what plants are close to the goats, as yew is extremely poisonous, and there is a whole list of others that need to be avoided. I have found, though, that as long as there is plenty of the "good" stuff available for them, they tend to leave the "bad" stuff alone.
Many people say that you need high fences for goats, but mine are OK with just normal sheep fencing.
The rest of their management is pretty much the same as that for sheep. Hooves, worming, vaccination, etc. But if possible, it may be wise to keep them separate from the sheep, as they are prone to picking up coccidiosis from them. (They can, of course, be vaccinated against this.)
Goats have the added benefit that they don't need shearing
They don't neccesarily need milking, either, of course, and won't anyway until they have kids themselves.
If you want loads of milk, try a dairy breed. But if you want good meat, try a Boer goat or Boer-cross. You should still be able to get about two litres a day for the family.
Several commercial dairy breeds are now using Boer goats to "beef-up" their herds, so that they get better meat quality from slaughtered kids.
Goats tend to be very sociable - find kids that have been bottle fed. They will be your friends for life.
Here endeth the lesson
Anna-marie

tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 07 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ta A-M, so in my 3 acre field that is mostly grass with some docks, nettles and blackthorn suckers would they be OK or would I need to supplement their forage?

I probably wouldn't mix goat and sheep and am looking only for meat production.

Anna-marie



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 07 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hi Tahir,
You would need to give them some concentrate, too. I use Allan and Paige (or however it's spelt! ) Goat Mix. It's good, clean stuff, and they really enjoy it. I only give them about half a scoop a day, increasing it to almost a whole scoop during the winter. And of course, they will need good quality hay, too.
You will need to take care that the sheep don't eat the goat's food, too, as it contains too much copper for them.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Anna-marie

tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 07 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Another limping one yesterday, scald, gave it a clean out and a spray.

Mary-Jane



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 07 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Another limping one yesterday, scald, gave it a clean out and a spray.


Aaaaah - the joys of keeping sheep Tahir. Fun isn't it?

tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 07 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Yeah, I won't repeat what the missus said

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 07 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Well, first one is slightly better now but still limps, 2nd one seems to be fully recovered

sean
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 07 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Yeah, I won't repeat what the missus said


She'll never manage to shove one up there.

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 07 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    


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