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jema
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 2:56 pm Post subject:
Seems like it I click on the link you give and I get "no items" still

tahir

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 3:02 pm Post subject:
Wossit all about then? You da guru...

jema
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 3:08 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Wossit all about then? You da guru...

Bloody odd is all I can say

Just tried Snowballs PC and got the same "no item(s)".

tahir

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 3:19 pm Post subject:
This is what I get

jema
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 3:26 pm Post subject:
thanks for that. Not much point in posting my screenshot because it just looks like the initial weblinks page. I am thinking about it.

dougal

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 3:27 pm Post subject:
Hey, it even works for me with an OS9 Mac... Perhaps Jema should clear his caches and try again? Not running a caching proxy server or anything like that? (Just trying to be helpful...)

tahir

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 3:32 pm Post subject:

dougal wrote:

Just trying to be helpful...

he needs all the help he can get

jema
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 3:34 pm Post subject:

dougal wrote:

Hey, it even works for me with an OS9 Mac...

Perhaps Jema should clear his caches and try again? Not running a caching proxy server or anything like that? (Just trying to be helpful...)

NTL automatically route things via a proxy. So not much choice at that level.

But clearing cookies and local cache is not helping me.

dougal

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 4:15 pm Post subject:

IIRC, isn't there a "flag" (tag, metadata, dunno...) that says "don't cache this page" - which ought to be there on all generated (ie non-static) pages? - so that they are *always* loaded afresh. If the page was static and is now generated, could the lack of that flag be the problem?
It certainly sounds as though you are seeing the old version (which presumably doesn't exist any more) out of a cache somewhere, and if its being seen by multiple local machines, it sounds as though its a cache common to all... NTL? Perhaps you could try a brief (non-NTL) dialup session... ?
I'd be more concerned as to whether the rest of us would see NEW changes to the page (ie are we (wrongly) going to be caching this version...)

jema
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 4:26 pm Post subject:
The odd thing is I have tried different NTL proxys

dougal

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 5:22 pm Post subject:

This is the sort of thing I had in mind (from an Apple Developer page re Safari, Apple's own mozilla-based browser) : ----

5. How do I prevent my pages (and cookies) from being cached in Safari?
Safari achieves much of its performance through efficient use of content caching. If you have pages you wish to prevent from being cached, including those that write out cookies, be sure to write the following headers when serving your pages:

// PHP example - include at the top of your pages
header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT"); // Date in the past
header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y H:i:s") . " GMT"); // always modified
header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, max-age=0"); // HTTP/1.1
header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0", false);
header("Pragma: no-cache"); // HTTP/1.0
?>

// JSP example - call before writing page content
response.setHeader("Cache-Control","no-cache"); //HTTP 1.1
response.setHeader("Pragma","no-cache"); //HTTP 1.0
response.setDateHeader ("Expires", 0); //prevents caching on a proxy server as well

tahir

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 5:27 pm Post subject:
Have you tried it in IE or Opera?

jema
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 5:28 pm Post subject:
I have even tried Koquerer under linux. So it sure ain't a local cache issue.

dougal

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 5:43 pm Post subject:
And you could isolate NTL cache(s) by using a different ISP. If you have a modem handy, its worthwhile having a (fallback/emergency) dialup account established (ie before its needed) I use https://uk2.net who offer a pay as you go dialup with generic username and password. Easy!

jema
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 05 5:48 pm Post subject:

dougal wrote:

And you could isolate NTL cache(s) by using a different ISP. If you have a modem handy, its worthwhile having a (fallback/emergency) dialup account established (ie before its needed)

I use https://uk2.net who offer a pay as you go dialup with generic username and password. Easy!

I suppose I could rig up a dialup from my notebook, but I think we have established that his has to be in the router/cable modem/ntl chain somewhere.

3 pcs, one running linux, 4 browsers can't all be wrong. In the case of linux I have never access the site with the browser.

thanks for the help

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